Friday, June 08, 2007

Name That Subversive, Part Deux

Posted by Mickey Z on 06/08 at 05:53 AM
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  1. Yasser Arafat. You made it too easy, as you’ve used this quote on CO before, and I’ve made it a point of pride to read every entry at least twice.  Anyway, accepting the 71k would cheapen my victory, so I shall decline.  Thanks and be well.

    Posted by DPI from NJ  on  06/08  at  07:24 AM

  2. Damn...now what?

    Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria  on  06/08  at  08:35 AM

  3. Mickey, 2...you said Damn!...Now What?

    Perhaps we can talk about poor people and poverty.
    I don’t think this subject gets enough attention.

    Or...we could talk about banjo’s, 4 and 5 string banjo’s and the many types of music that can be played on a banjo.

    Let’s see...we can talk about the warehoused, neglected, unloved elderly...unloved...can we not think more objectively than to only see people from our supposedly ‘hard-wired’ biology sexual drives? Come on…

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/08  at  09:37 AM

  4. Damn. I knew the answer, but someone got to it first…

    Posted by Thomas McCullock from Colorado Springs  on  06/08  at  09:56 AM

  5. Well now....you all have made me feel inferior. Am I the only one who did NOT know the origin of the quote? It’s a good one, no wonder it has not been more widely publicized. The truth hurts.

    DPI...Congrats !

    joe...your suggestions are admirable. The warehoused, elderly, and unloved - neglected young and old… this is quite a hostile time and place we find ourselves in. When I was very young, I used to day dream about being a beachcomber. Recently I have been feeling some of those same urges to withdraw and give up.

    Thomas… you, too, knew the answer!

    Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts  on  06/08  at  12:26 PM

  6. Man, you should really go to this if you possibly can-- http://www.satyamag.com/-- go for the food, but stay because it’s the last Satya event ever. Or the other way around.

    Posted by James from work  on  06/08  at  12:26 PM

  7. Mickey and fam-

    Last Saturday, I attended a Memorial dedication in St Cloud.  The Governor and Mayor were there.  Veterans from 5 American wars and 3 Indochina wars were there with family and friends.  The Memorial is the joint effort of Vietnam Vets of MN and the Vietnamese Community of St Cloud.  The polished granite etching depicts 2 veterans, one from each country with the words: “Gone, but Not Forgotten”.  Four flags prominently fly - USA, Republic of Vietnam, POW-MIA, MN.  The Memorial is in Eastman Park, with a granite footpath leading to another Garden Memorial remembering 37 MN Vietnam MIA-POW who never came home and the hundreds from MN who died in Vietnam.  Colorguard from 2 militaries, US and Vietnam, as well as soldiers from both countries in full dress uniforms raised the flags.  The National Anthems of two countries were sung followed by a 3-volley salute, Taps, and a bag-pipe remembrance.  I know soldiers from both armies who were present at the dedication. I teared up reflecting on where we have come in the past 40+ years.  My spirit is proud but my heart aches.  The lump in my throat is hard to swallow.  My upper right-shoulder tattoo of TGM - POW-MIA .. is what will go with me to the grave.  That’s most likely when the personal conflict will end for me.  Lost - but Not Forgotten .. a simple mantra juxtaposed over my heart Gone - but Not Forgotten each time I salute… richie http://myspace.com/richiedeadhead

    Posted by Richie from st cloud / n ft myers  on  06/08  at  12:50 PM

  8. Bill Blum just released his latest. Here is a small part of it......

    “...Don’t Believe Everything You Think!
    “If the Democrat-controlled Congress wanted to force the Bush administration to accept a bill with a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq, it didn’t have to pass the bill over Bush’s veto. It just had to make clear that no Iraq War spending bill without a timeline would be forthcoming. Given that the Constitution requires Congress to approve all spending, Bush needs Congress’s approval to continue the war. Congress does not need Bush’s approval to end the war."[3]...."

    Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts  on  06/08  at  03:47 PM

  9. Richie #7...I could not access your “myspace” so I am not sure what you mean. My own belief is that NO part of the war machine should be honored - not the bombs, and not those who drop them. Maybe it would be better if we had parades to honor civilians, instead of those who kill them.  I keep saying, “Wearing a uniform might make a fashion statement, but it never gives anyone the right to kill civilians.”

    It was just announced on the news that the parade in Saratoga, NY will NOT allow any “peace” participants.

    Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts  on  06/08  at  05:16 PM

  10. Richie...7...Richie...I’m not sure, I think I read/feel a conflict you’re experiencing. I cannot experience your sadness but I can appreciate you wanting to express this very emotional feeling...Thank You.

    I went to the war zone, the Tonkin Gulf twice on aircraft carriers. I was in a bomber squadron that dropped lots of tonnage and carried various missles...to jump ahead...I’m for prosecuting all war criminals and accomplices...of any country. I’m also for confronting wife-beaters, children beaters and lousy main-stream musicians.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/08  at  06:46 PM

  11. Joe and RMJ :*** I celebrated the life around me last Saturday at the Memorial.  My Vietnamese brothers and sisters - neighbors - have been in my experience since resettlement in the 70’s.  We honored the fallen a week ago, including persons who have been in my life for over 40 years.  My mixed sentiments and emotions stem from the pride I feel in everyday America.  I’m in a chair most days but I can still get myself around.  At one point during the picnic that followed the speeches and ceremonials last week, I dropped my glasses.  A little 6-7 yr old princess immediately ran up to pick them up for me.  She bowed as I said thank you and she ran on to catch up with her family.  I smiled.  Her mom bowed and smiled back at me.  We were one in that moment and that is the way most days go for me.  The bi-lingual chatter made me recall other neighborhoods and the fact that I can go back to visit.  Several of my buddies recently did to visit an orphanage and other locales.  My new brothers and sisters can’t return to visit their homeland, at least not yet. They send money to relatives who couldn’t escape or find exodus from resettlement/refugee camps.  The anger I feel is for the abuse of power that is rampant in both free societies like ours and the remnants entrenched in dictatorships like Vietnam and Cuba.  Nong Duc Mahn and Fidel Castro embraced last Saturday in a tearful farewell.  I felt the irony as I reflected on the days events in my part of the world. I visit Mickey Z’s to refresh my sense.  For this, I thank you all!  richie (RJM - school’s out and MySpace is overflowing with traffic… keep trying for a bit of humor - music and reflection - everyday life..  late nites .. early mornings - ciao)

    Posted by Richie from st cloud / n ft myers  on  06/08  at  09:50 PM

  12. opps...........OF Course ... I meant...... R M J ... oh beautiful soul.. My malaprops are infamous!!  richie

    Posted by Richie from st cloud / n ft myers  on  06/08  at  09:58 PM

  13. Oops - ‘something’ just ate my comment, so here it is again:

    Bravo, DPI!  And another great quote, but then one expects nothing else from the Cool Observer.

    Weekend greetings from down under to Joe of Maine, Thomas McCullock, Rosemarie (I have just printed Bill Blum’s latest Anti-Empire Report), James and Richie.  Crowds of tourists have descended on a cool but sunny Daylesford - a long weekend is coming up as Monday is ‘Queen’s Birthday’.  Never mind that QE II was born in April and that there is no comparable holiday in the UK.  No complaints from me on that front.

    All best to all my fellow expendables,
    Helga

    Posted by Helga Fremlin from Daylesford, Australia  on  06/09  at  01:06 AM

  14. I’VE used this excuse…

    http://tinyurl.com/2x6kyl

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  07:11 AM

  15. Michael..14...what brands do you like/have in Scotland...I don’t drink anymore but I’m curious..need a break from talking about the planet going to hell thanks to the parasites in washington, decadent center.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  09:42 AM

  16. there aren’t any particularly good scottish beers. we make whisky - and might i point out if you have only bought whisky outwith this country then you havent tried good whisky. we keep all the good stuff here (much the same as the french do with wine) and the stuff that goes for expert is nowhere near as good.

    so, the best beer you can buy everywhere is becks. reason being that germans have a rule about no chemicals in beer.

    but here is a list of good other ones..

    fustenberg
    budvar
    krusowice

    good whiskies not usually exported…

    jura
    aberlour
    ardbeg

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  09:57 AM

  17. budweiser has a truly dreadful amount of chemicals in it. and they have to strengthen it for the european market too as european beers are generally stronger.

    Posted by michael from s  on  06/09  at  10:12 AM

  18. Michael...thanks for the info...you seem to know various mind-altering products...when you mention whiskey...are you referring to Scotch...I developed a liking for Scotch at one time...a friend of mind drank Scotch too much, but his Scotch breath was always delightful, so I tried Scotch.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  10:28 AM

  19. yes, i am referring to what you call ‘scotch’ but its name is ‘whisky’. the similar drink from ireland is called ‘whiskEy’.

    ‘whisky’ comes from the gaelic ‘uisge beatha’ (pronounced ish-ker-ber) meaning ‘water of life’

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  10:38 AM

  20. Richie...Thanks. I can feel the humanity in your comments. Some of your comments remind me of my friend, Elliott Adams. He was elected head of Veterans for Peace and was also in Vietnam. Often during my time with vets we discuss the issue of “honoring” vets/troops. Many of us have come to the conclusion that by doing that, it encourages war. It has been a struggle for many of us who want to support ALL of humanity but are extremely opposed to all wars. During a recent discussion, the comment was made that a distinction can be made between troops and others. Support the son, the brother, the father, the mother - the humanity in all of us. By identifying a person as a “troop” or “veteran”, the implication is made that the military actions of the “troop” are supported. “Troops” are part of the war machine. If there were no troops, there would be no wars. To many it seems logically inconsistent to support the troops and also peace.

    Good morning joe...I, too, favor prosecutions.
    Hi… Helga.
    michael...Beer is a good topic. I have never been a gourmet’ about anything. In my youth, my favorite was Genny Cream Ale. It is still on the market and is one of the least expensive. I think it falls in the catagory of a skunk beer. I have read a little about that.

    Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts  on  06/09  at  10:42 AM

  21. RMJ - it is a very good topic on a day where it is 25+ in glasgow on a saturday afternoon. i have the laptop in the garden and the dog at feet, in fact - did you hear that noise? i just opened my first beer (its nearly 5pm here so its allowed)

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  10:47 AM

  22. when i say ‘allowed’ i didnt mean its illegal before that or anything. i just meant i am not drinking too early in the day!

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  10:47 AM

  23. i also have the speakers out in the garden. anyone else like prince buster?

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  10:48 AM

  24. RMJ.20...good morning...The authorities within this or any hierarchy carry an implied or direct threat to carrying out the orders of the top guns of the hierarchie, whether it’s a typical work environment or the central government warning people what will happen if no compliance with their rule.

    We are forced to some degree to comply with the laws of the land, pay taxes, obey all rules, etc.,

    When a person joins the military, very few join to bash heads. When they are in this experience of very mixed feelings, they carry out the command of the top gun of the hierarchy under fear/threat of what will happen if they do not obey all rules and commands...then atrocities happen.

    The hiearchy, here at home, the central government in d.c., for sake of discussion is the source of war problems. If that is the case, we, every damn one of us is guilty of war crimes, or are there relative degrees of guilt...for how wars are started?

    This hierachical stuff, chains of commands, rulers and stooges, is a lot of crap and has been going on for too damn long.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  11:00 AM

  25. Michael-23...I’m smiling as I envision you drinking with the little guy next to you, saying it’s 5pm and allowed...(-:

    What, who is prince buster?

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  11:03 AM

  26. prince buster is an old ska musician (ska was reggae before reggae) and he was a genius

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  11:05 AM

  27. Michael of Scotland...how would you describe the use of cell phones in Scotland. Do you think they are used with discetion, something to nervously play with, a toy for escapism?

    Are cell-phone frequencies harmful as some people claim? Does the geography of Scotland change the effect of cell-phone frequencies differently than in other countries?

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  11:24 AM

  28. very funny joe. they are used to talk the same shit all people talk but we call them mobile phones

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  11:26 AM

  29. ok, so whats going on in maine then?

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  11:34 AM

  30. to add to number 14, here is a very old video of bush drunk at a wedding..,

    http://tinyurl.com/3xgy4q

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  11:41 AM

  31. Michael.28...let me ask that question different...I think I might have lent myself to misunderstanding...from my tiny world, people seem to be addicted to cell phones, always playing with, talking on them, everywhere all the time.

    I have seen many close calls with people driving fast with a cell phone stuck in their brain. Just a few minutes ago, I heard someone mention a $800 a month cell phone bill...is it just me who thinks this whole cell phone thing is out of control?

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  11:49 AM

  32. sorry joe, i thought you were having a go at me for always going on about things here (weren’t you?)

    if you weren’t i shall be happy to answer in full when i get back from the shop in 20 minutes or so.

    ps i think everyone in china just woke up to my china post from a few days ago because my hit counter is going wild on that post in particular.
    http://tinyurl.com/yr95eq

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  12:01 PM

  33. Michael.32...yes...see, I don’t talk to people from Scotland everyday, so I’m interested in various perspectives, even if cultural differences might only be subtle, which I don’t know if they are or not. I don’t think you always go on about things.

    The only thing I ever new of Scotland is beautiful scenery and very nice woolen goods. I don’t know history about any country, u.s. history is watered down and worn out...I’d rather thing about the present...then the future.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  12:09 PM

  34. joe, i will get back to you soon. apart from that...finkelstein denied tenure…

    http://tinyurl.com/2mftqk

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  12:17 PM

  35. well, just like most places in the industrialised world everyone here has a mobile (cell) phone.

    its a strange place here. modern european cities mixed with a lot of completely ubtouched countryside but on the whole some people here are just as taken in by all the bullshit and others are just as bemused/enraged by it

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  01:12 PM

  36. Michael.35...yeah...if I was with you, I’d probably have a beer also. I ususally am half-drunk on 4 ounces...then I must make 37 trips to the head to urinate...on only 4 ounces.

    You mentioned a shop earlier, what kind of shop do you have? I once did artistic woodworking...I lose interest in anything very quickly, on like a light, out like a light. I have always lacked discipline...or...it’s a good thing I have little discipline...for some things I have a little. I enjoy just being...then spontaneous.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  01:47 PM

  37. hhahaha

    we say shop and store

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  02:01 PM

  38. shop and not stoe that should have been

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  02:02 PM

  39. something is going on. my hit counter is going insane. its either the bush beer thing or the china thing. i get the feeling i am about to be called by an irate fox news producer or something.

    Posted by michael greenwell from scotland  on  06/09  at  02:16 PM

  40. joe #24...My opinion is that there are varying degrees of guilt. Maybe the only way to be perfectly “pure” would be to live in a way where you never participated in the usa economy because it is the usa economy that supports war. Ward Churchill tried to make that point, and has been suffering for it ever since. Total non-participation in the economy would be impossible for most of us. It would mean living off the land, off the grid, etc. Even then you would be paying property taxes and that would be a violation. It seems to me that the best that one can do is to participate in the war machine as little as possible. Buying a loaf of bread is bad. Working for a company which is involved in weapons production is worse. And then there are those at the top of the list - members of Congress who vote to support the war, those who vote them into office, those who actually carry out the killing, etc. Yes, it seems to me that most of us are war criminals - it’s just a matter of degree.

    Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts  on  06/09  at  02:20 PM

  41. Hello RMJ.40...I agree, it’s hard to avoid this crap. Even if one goes to the streets until death, it’s hard to escape the insanity this society creates.

    I was sitting on a sidewalk chair this morning drinking coffee at 6:15am. Even at that hour the few cars driving by annoyed me as the perfect silent stillness of the hour was ruined by these damn vehicles.

    It’s nice to go to the river or the Bay early in the morning where the silence is interrupted only by birds.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  02:40 PM

  42. joe...you paint a very nice picture of Nature. I feel very lucky to be sort of surrounded by Nature. I am only a few hundred feet off a main highway, but I built my house so that from the windows I mostly see just trees. I have birds chirping year round and this time of year a lot of rabbits and chipmunks - sometimes fox and deer.  Nature seems to be good medicine these days. I never take it for granted.

    Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts  on  06/09  at  03:03 PM

  43. RMJ.42...you said...Nature seems to be good medicine these days...in my opinion absolutely as necessary as breathing! Why humans are stuck in a mindset of being ‘separate’ from nature. Separate only in not understanding we are only A part of what we refer to as nature...all the stuff of the planet.

    I enjoy reading Thomas Berry speak about he Ecozoic era. A teacher once told his students, “man is the only creature who must make a conscious effort to become conscious”. Did he mean to be able to respond to cosmological law? [I don’t know if cosmological is the accurate word] And what is it to simply sense, respond...direct knowing?

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  03:17 PM

  44. israel is about to use robotic guns to shoot people down…

    http://tinyurl.com/25anqg

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  03:46 PM

  45. Michael.44...I’ll bet this is just so Benjamin Notananywhoayahoo can make another appearance on the Charlie Rose show..?

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  03:53 PM

  46. this is the kind of thing we have to put up with here.

    our new first minister (who i am not a major fan of see… http://tinyurl.com/336862 ) was trying to do something about extraordianry rendition.

    the interviewer used to go on holidays with the previous first minister who was blairs poodle (a poodles poodle is no good thing) and here is the treatment he gets from the //quisling in question…

    http://tinyurl.com/ynvjv9

    the bbc had to apologise. ok, that is one less thing they have to apologise for

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  04:46 PM

  47. michael...nice photos on your site.

    joe...your comment about direct knowing reminded me about some research that is going on. I beleive that one of the chief researchers is at the University of Vermont. He wrote a book or scientific papers titled “The Second Brain”. When people talk about a “gut reaction” it has some scientific validity. Some of the cells and chemistry of the gut are the same as the brain.

    Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts  on  06/09  at  05:28 PM

  48. thanks rmj. i just responded to you on my site. you can read it there but i feel very happy you visited… RMJ visited my site=some sort of vindication!

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  05:30 PM

  49. RMJ.47...Can you imagine what we might know, what we might be tuned to, intuitively, or whatever word that best describes our ability to know and understand...if our minds were not cluttered with the crap designed to brainwash, to deny real freedom and carry on this insane kind of man contrived system with violence at the core???

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  06:32 PM

  50. joe, that last commetn was not for me i know but if you wnat another answer to that question from the one rmj will give you please attempt to buy and read the book ‘island’ by aldous huxley

    Posted by michael from scotland  on  06/09  at  06:36 PM

  51. Michael.50...Thank you Michael...I appreciate that. This to me is a very interesting subject…

    A lady I spoke to years ago was convinced dogs were telepathic. That’s the word she used. I’m convinced my English Pointer knew what I was going to do before I did!

    The Gut Feeling expression, energy centers, Chakras, intuition, sensing, whatever...I really think we need to put more thought into this stuff. Or...we can applaud our universities for the dandy job they are doing to assist America with becoming civilized...in fact, let’s have a cheer for all those boot camps for the labor market of capitalism.

    Posted by joe of maine from   on  06/09  at  06:59 PM

  52. Evening all.
    I’ve never properly read any Huxley (I’ll shamefacedly admit to reading a bit of Brave New World and getting bored); but I think there is a very serious problem if we say that the problem is our reason and we need to think with our guts. Nothing against intuition, but it seems to me that the “crap designed to brainwash, to deny real freedom and carry on this insane kind of man contrived system with violence at the core” precisely targets our gut, ‘instinctive’ thinking. More exactly, you might say that it perverts said thinking. To be blunt, I’d see chakra-opening and yoghurt-fancying as part of that muddling and commodification of our intuition. Absolutely we should strive to reclaim it, but its daft to pose it as an alternative to reason - fully functioning humans should obviously have both.

    Michael - Becks!!?!? Urgh. If lack of chemicals makes beer utterly fail to taste like that…
    On the other hand I had an ale today that tasted like alcoholic Bovril. That probably won’t mean anything to you lot in the US, but - its bad. A little too much taste.

    Posted by Mew from clophill  on  06/09  at  07:37 PM

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