Wednesday, February 08, 2006
My favourite quotes at moment:
“War is obsolete.”
- Buckminster Fuller
“The universe has a habit of deleting anachronisms.”
- Phil K Dick
To answer your question from yesterday Amelopsis, a bit of both: there´s plenty of N African culture in Ireland has been strained through Spain and has arrived directly, like the Gaelic language has most in common with Libyan, I´d always thought ther was something strange about the tongue in N Europe with all those sandy Arabic glottals.Posted by Owen from Batcelona on 02/08 at 06:22 AM
favourite quotes at the moment…
“All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies” - Dr Arbuthnot
“After each war there is a little less democracy to save” - Brooks atkinson
“The war office kept three sets of figures; one to mislead the public, another to mislead the cabinet and a third to mislead itself” Herbert Asquith.
link of the day - its not anything you don’t know but it is nice to hear it finally said
scotland has a lot of the same links as ireland in that respect too. http://tinyurl.com/bwru3
my captcha is ‘george’. i will take that to mean orwell not bush or any of the kingsPosted by michael from scotland on 02/08 at 08:09 AM
My personal favourite war quote
“We train young men to drop fire on people. But we won’t let them write fuck on their airplanes because its obscene!”
Marlon Brando, Apocalypse Now
Particularly like that one (even if its not from a philosopher or professional opinion spewer) as it just sums up how totally skewed our ‘morality’ is. Brought up to date, you could say “...but we refuse to show pictures of the dead because thats obscene!”Posted by mew from on 02/08 at 08:31 AM
Good Morning MZ’ers everywhere....I only have a minute now but just checked last night’s comments. Thanks for the posting on the Daily Kos, Mickey. I like the replies there, one calling for jury nullification. I will try to post there later.
Also I forgot to say yesterday that one reason that I suggested the books that I did, was because those 2 authors need support.Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts on 02/08 at 08:56 AM
Good morning all,
MZ I love the little WTF stick man.
Owen, thanks for the added explanation....I’ll have to visit your site more often, languages fascinate me. Many have laughed at my Irish/English dictionary, but I’ve hung on to it. Now I don’t know a thing about Libyan...must do some looking.
I found this little quote from the groucho link:
“Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.” hmm. made me think.
Keir I dig what you said yesterday about the choice of books; I don’t disagree with you in the least; but I also enjoy the less structured or intensely purposeful discussions here at times. (an entirely personal opinion, I understand)
I mentioned a few reasons why I thought the Mowat book was a good choice and while it’s not a philosophical essay it does serve as a suitable analysis and observation of a situation that could be transposed to any living creature existing as a minority in their environment, whether ocean going mammal or stranger in a strange land, etc.
Now I must get back to being busy.
Rosemarie - your lurking comment last night is a classic....which I must take into further consideration more often myself!Posted by Amelopsis from CAnada on 02/08 at 09:33 AM
“Just because you win the fight, don’t make you right.
Just because you think don’t make you good.”
- Funkadelic (America Eats its Young, 1972)Posted by Keir from The Hague on 02/08 at 09:41 AM
Simultyping Amelopsis, sorry. Great Groucho quote. Fair enough about the whale.Posted by Keir from The Hague on 02/08 at 09:43 AM
Merry Humpday to all.
A quote relevant to war:
“Why should I give them my mind we well?”
--Dalai Lama, when asked if he wasn’t angry at the Chinese for taking over his country. (1935- )
See, MZ? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day!
Empress, RMJ is a model I can but strive to emulate in many, many ways. (Can’t do much about the gender thing, outside of radical surgery I ain’t up (!) for; also, I’m 6ft 3in.)
I still strive towards RMJ’s inextinguishable passion for justice. Her bedrock conviction that when something’s wrong, do whatever it takes to fix it, and if it won’t get or stay fixed, do it again until it does. And not least, her willingness to carry on even when she feels like collapsing.
Now I gotta add being quiet unless I have something to say?! A bridge too far, O Role Model. I shall diverge from emulation into divagation.
Owen #1: Libyan/Gaelic...I have to wonder if the Germanic Vandals invading N Africa then getting turfed out in the Muslim explansion forced ‘em into fleeing to Ireland c650-700CE might not explain some of the drift towards glottality.Posted by Mudge from Austin on 02/08 at 10:43 AM
I can’t find a decent link to a current article, but Canadian Courts are today considering (again) the refugee claims of concientious objector Jeremy Hinzman and another colleague.
This time around their lawyers hope to be allowed to argue their cases on the basis that the US war is illegal - since this is the same grounds on which Canada refused to participate in initial invasion of Iraq, they should be allowed to argue that point this time around.
(Hinzman’s been working as a bicycle courier in Toronto during his time here)Posted by Amelopsis from CAnada on 02/08 at 11:01 AM
Hello Expendables. Love all the great quotes. I think today will be another day with limited commenting time for me but I did want to say the book vote is a dead heat. As hectic and distracted as I feel at the moment, it’s hard to imagine reading anything...but it’s clear that either book would be a solid choice. So, why not look at it like this: Which one shall we read first?Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 02/08 at 11:36 AM
hey - i have just been to time square and red square in the space of 10 minutes. then i had a look round the top of everest.
this is quality....Posted by michael from scotland on 02/08 at 11:54 AM
I know Ibero/Celtic writing is based on Hittite, which travelled even further unadulterated: at the end of the 19th century a stone tablet was found in Minnesota with Hittite writing Hittite writing was not officially identified until 1908 and the discoverers invited everyone to take a piece of the tablet home with them if they wanted so it was destroyed.Posted by Owen from Barcelona on 02/08 at 12:42 PM
And while we´re on Funkadelic:
“Freedom is a state of mind and the condition and position of your ass. Free your
mind and your ass will follow.”Posted by Owen from batcelona on 02/08 at 12:44 PM
On current Irish social issues...http://tinyurl.com/bvtdj
(with some gaelic for good measure)
“zipper” ??Posted by Amelopsis from CAnada on 02/08 at 01:02 PM
All this talk of Celtics leads me to ask who has read Cahill’s “How the Irish Saved Civilization?”Posted by JOS from Chicago on 02/08 at 01:48 PM
Have I said that your blogspot contains the best quotes, Mickey? Probably .. Thanks for finding them for us, along with great graphics, commments, etc.
And hi to Owen, Michael, Mew, Rosemarie, Amelopsis, JOS and, last but by no means least, MUDGE! Be well, all of you, especially Rosemarie.
Re military ‘intelligence’: are they going to use the same faulty intelligence to mount a military assault on Iran?
A pleasant day coming up in Daylesford, Australia: about 77F and sunshine.
Auf Wiederemailen from Australia ..Posted by Helga Fremlin from Daylesford, Australia on 02/08 at 02:17 PM
And more great quotes from the expendables. What about the ‘weapons of misdirection’ in Reverend Lowery’s speech at Coretta Scott King’s funeral? Excellent speech btw, no?Posted by Helga Fremlin from Daylesford, Australia on 02/08 at 02:26 PM
Helga, I really liked that line..."weapons of misdirection”...and wished it had hit home with GWB. Too subtle, I guess.
Owen, ain’t it weird what lengths “white” folks’ll go to in order to disprive a connection with anything African? Asian? Native American?
Some days it’s embarrassing being Anglo-Celto-Slavo-licious.Posted by Mudge from Austin on 02/08 at 02:49 PM
Helga, I loved that comment at Corretta Scott King’s funeral. Actually, I was very impressed by much of it. That is the way funerals should be, an affirmation of the life of the person.
Here is a quote that I heard back in 1991, when the USA started to bomb Iraq. Col. David Hackworth, author and career military man, who opposed the war said, “In war some people die, and some people get rich.” I like the simplicity of that comment.
Mudge, I love you.Posted by RMJ from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts on 02/08 at 04:32 PM
Glad to see a fellow Expendable appreciates Funkadelic. This is what a lifetime of involvement of music has taught me: there is no better music than socially conscious black American music from the early 70’s.
“Our country and our cities they have been betrayed for money
and somehow, the people, they will make a change
There’s not a doubt in my mind
if hunger and anger place the blame
there won’t be a country left to change
we’ve got to sleep what we’re doing in the name of comfort
We’ve got see, we’ve got to feel the warning signs
But in order to get it together
we’ve got to get our heads together
EVERYBODY’S GOING TO MAKE IT THIS TIME”Posted by Keir from The Hague on 02/08 at 04:57 PM
Aw, gee, RMJ, I’m all blushin’ an’ stuff over here....
If I recall correctly, MZ says our votes are neck-and-neck for book club to determine which one we read first. I still say Mowat and the Whale.
Does MZ get to cast the Golden Vote, no matter what, since this is his site? Sorta like the Veep of the You Ass in the Snot?Posted by Mudge from Austin on 02/08 at 06:19 PM
Good Evening Every Expendable,
Many interesting things to think about but no time to catch up via typing.
Good to ‘read’ you all later in the day.
(haven’t read Cahill’s book & gifted those books I enjoyed but who’s titles now escape me)
“Strength” grows in pleasant company.Posted by Amelopsis from Canada on 02/08 at 07:15 PM
Hello my friends. Between trying to figure out where were gonna live and trying to dig up more work/clients for myself, I feel like I’m missing all the fun here.
I have an idea, re: our next book. If I cast the deciding vote for Mowat, could everyone be ready to discuss it within 3 weeks? If so, we could immediately plan a Camus discussion for the end of March. This way, I hope, everyone is happy.Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 02/08 at 07:16 PM
Hello to all you Expressional Expendables.
@ MZ: like the quotes, as well as the idea of which book to read first. I’m up to reading both (free-time permitting)...
Oh, and check this out: “Wisconsin has a good idea”. See http://tinyurl.com/da4ft
“All religions, with their gods, demigods, prophets, messiahs and saints, are the product of the fancy and credulity of men who have not yet reached the full development and complete possession of their intellectual powers.”
Mikhail Bakunin, God and the StatePosted by RT from The Buyou City on 02/08 at 07:29 PM
MZ, I’ll go with that! Read Mowat and discuss by 3/6 or whatever? Works for me!Posted by Mudge from Austin on 02/08 at 09:44 PM
I think that’s the plan, Mudge. I’ll post something about it by Friday.
Good night, Expendables.
(Where are Joe, Hawk, and TM?)Posted by Mickey Z. from Astoria on 02/08 at 09:56 PM
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