Mickey Z
Cool Observer
Sunday, December 05, 2004
Pat Tillman and Ricky Williams
Have there been reports of pat Tillman being an atheist, or am i reading into your statement incorrectly?
Posted by Huey Guevara on from Los Angeles 12/05 at 01:42 PMI Completely agree. I read about Ricky Williams in an article at SF gate. I was really inspired by his personal decisions. It saddens me to think he’s being slammed by the media for choosing a career in healing over football millions.
Pat Tillman’s story is just sad and tragic. Every death in Iraq every day is a tragedy. It’s just stomach churning that he’s hero worshipped for being suckered into throwing his life away for an illegal and unnecessary war.
Posted by Luna_C on from Vancouver via California 12/05 at 01:44 PMHere’s something I posted a while back:
When Rich Tillman showed up at the San Jose Municipal Rose Garden memorial for his big brother Pat, he “wore a rumpled white T-shirt, no jacket, no tie, no collar,” and “asked mourners to hold their spiritual bromides.”
Rich Tillman said: “Pat isn’t with God. He’s fucking dead. He wasn’t religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he’s fucking dead.”
Posted by Mickey Z. on from 12/05 at 02:11 PMJust saw this posted at SF gate.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/12/05/national1718EST0509.DTL
Turns out Pat Tillman was officially killed by “friendly fire”.
Quoted from Article.Assuming the friendly fire had stopped, the Ranger said, he and his comrades emerged and talked with each other, the Post reported.
“Suddenly, he saw the attacking Humvee move into `a better position to fire on us.’ He heard a new machine gun burst and hit the ground, praying, as Pat Tillman fell,” the Post reported.
The Ranger said Tillman had repeatedly screamed out his name and shouted for the shooting to stop, the Post said. He and others waved their arms, only attracting more fire. Tillman was shot repeatedly by rifles, finally succumbing to the machine gun.
Early in the firing, the Post said, the driver of one of the Serial Two vehicles pulled out of the canyon and recognized the parked U.S. Army vehicles in front of him. “The driver shouted twice: `We have friendlies on top!’ ... Then he yelled several more times to cease fire, he recalled.
“`No one heard me.“‘
Go team. Win one for the gipper… :(Posted by Luna_C on from Vancouver via California 12/05 at 07:00 PM“Friendly fire”? is that anything like “military intelligence” or “progressive Democrat”?
Posted by Mickey Z. on from 12/05 at 07:07 PMNah, “Friendly Fire” is much more common… ;)
Posted by Luna_C on from Vancouver via California 12/05 at 08:22 PMI have never read such a misguided article until I read “Pat Tillman and Ricky Williams”. First, Pat Tillman
fulfilled his commitment to the Cardinals and decided not to renew his
contract, instead to join the military to, as you put it, kill “brown
people”. A pretty racist remark that discredits your writing but
specifically he joined to kill the same “brown people” that
participated in the killing of over 3000 Americans of all races,
colors, and creeds. You may not agree with the war in Afghanistan,
which is your right as an American, but you can not deny that his
intentions were selfless, honest, and honorable. Ricky Williams did
not fulfill his contract. I will say it again… Ricky Williams did not fulfill his contract. He was upset when the league suspended him
for drug abuse… a clear violation of his contract. Ricky Williams
quit out of anger at the rules of his chosen profession. You may love what he has gone on to become but that doesn’t change the fact that he quit before completing his promise to the fans and the team. His choice…
a selfish choice which he is allowed to make but, he does not
deserve to be compared to a man of the caliber as Pat Tillman, atheist or not. As far
as most Americans are concerned, Ricky Williams is a drug abusing dead
beat dad. Those are facts. Pat Tillman is an American hero. No
comparison there.Posted by Craig Y. on from Bradenton, FL 12/09 at 09:14 AMThis little piece of writing is another sad testament to how ignornance permiates our society. Ricki Williams chose to take the money and run. He was under contract, you know, obligated to do his job. I can’t imagine you expect people to be sympathetic to a guy who thinks he is entitled to 8 million dollars for nothing, do you? He had to be sued to get the money back, because for some deluded reason he thought he could keep it.
Tillman honored his contract and chose not to sign another and to instead go to Afghanistan. You know, that place with 7,000 UN Troops that was not an illegal war like the chucklehead above suggested.
Thank God I won’t stumble across this place again.
Posted by Brainlesswonder on from 12/14 at 10:00 PMSorry to be the one to break it to you, like Pat Tillman, the American public is being suckered and herded into participating in illegal wars. No war is ever justified. It may look like that from surface events i.e. Pearl Harbor, Holocaust, 911. etc. But when the facts are dug into much more deeply you will see the shenanigans of the banking establishment and the military complex in orchestrating either dictators and/or events to galvanize the masses into killing each other so they may line there pockets and further degrade our human spirit and our freedom
In fact right now America is being setup for a massive fall my friends. The dollar is being devalued, Jobs are being outsourced, the constitution is being dismantled and our government is completely out of the peoples control and answers to no one but there own corporate masters. Your children will be forcibly psychologically tested and then drugged until they become of age for the draft and then put into military service with shoddy equipment to fight an endless war. All for the profit of bastards like Bush, Cheney and even John Kerry.
You may not want to hear or believe any of what I’m telling you. However it’s all true. America is being setup as the new bad guy in the world. We’re not justified, we’re not the good cowboy or the hero cop. We are the fourth Reich, We are feared and hated across the globe and we are all being suckered into a fall that will not only affect you but your children and your children’s children. It’s not because we the people are bad, it’s because we the people of the United States of America are the most dangerous thing in the world to the elites. We have the power to build a country and elect our officials. To inspire hope in the hearts of millions and shine as a beacon of what the human spirit can aspire to. Unless we throw it all away in fear and huddle for safety behind our corporate masters. And this is exactly what we are doing.
I said it earlier the story of Pat Tillman is sad and tragic. I find it to be a remarkable allegory to what’s happening in America right now. We had the chance for spiritual fame and glory. We threw it away because we were lied to by the people we trusted. We’ll die shouting to be recognized as an individual soul killed by the very people we swore to defend. He deserved better. He deserved the truth and his life. So do you and so do all of us.
I may not agree with everything Ricky Williams has done with his life. However choosing healing over killing will always get a big kudo in my book.
Peace and Love.
Posted by Luna_C on from Vancouver via California 12/15 at 11:47 AM
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