Mickey Z

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Wednesday, December 07, 2005

East Timor: December 7, 1975

Posted by Mickey Z on 12/07 at 07:47 AM
  1. Sounds great, Mick.  Glad to hear you got invited back as well.  Hello to all from yesterday…

    Posted by JOS  on  from PR 12/07  at  08:12 AM
  2. 50 american ursines your not supposed to know

    terrible terrible joke.

    i am going to go an dhang my head in shame somehwere

    Posted by michael  on  from scotland 12/07  at  08:34 AM
  3. To be honest...I found your joke to be beary funny, Michael.

    Hey Big Country…

    Posted by Mickey Z.  on  from Astoria 12/07  at  08:35 AM
  4. this is a long and well researched report. not an opinion piece but def. worth a look.

    http://tinyurl.com/a9o37

    Posted by michael  on  from scotland 12/07  at  09:07 AM
  5. Glad to hear the B&N went well MickeyZ, and at least the teddy bear appears to be feigning literacy! More than can be said for many!

    I wanted to mention that yesterday was also notable for Canadians as a remembrance of the killing of 14 women in a polytech school in Montreal in 1989. Here’s a backgrounder: http://tinyurl.com/bzt5m

    Today we’re thinking of a small town Northern Ontario man and hoping his hostage taking (of course another Canadian and 2 Americans also share his current hostage status) ends with good news.

    Hope everyone’s enjoying a nice December morning...sunny skies and sparkling snow...can’t really ask nature for anything prettier.

    Posted by Amelopsis  on  from Canada 12/07  at  09:50 AM
  6. Hey fellow Expendables-- yes, there might be a 2 minute quicktime video available soon that I took with my digital camera, just see how I can get it over to MZ. Got more thoughts to type out about this time to describe last night, later when the boss isn’t looking over my shoulder… ah, workplace distractions in day jobs.

    In meantime, here’s this way off topic that I mentioned to Mickey last night. A blast from the past, Christopher Hitchens’ review of Fahrenheit 9/11: http://tinyurl.com/3p8p3
    Barely worth the tinyurl, but why not shorten whenever we can…
    Also, from the same confusing era, Nat Hentoff’s essay from the start of Gulf War 2:
    http://tinyurl.com/8nws
    The ‘left’ can be so hard to keep track of…
    Be back later. “military"-- no kidding.

    Posted by James  on  from Hell's Kitchen 12/07  at  09:56 AM
  7. Great news, MZ!  You’ve reached someone who otherwise would not have been reached by going into the belly of this particular beast.

    Howdy do, y’all.  Bureaucracy day.  First seriously cold day here, and it’s raining.  Sleet by afternoon, so I’m trying to accmplish all my tasks before then.

    After I’ve “returned”, i’ll come check the video status.

    Posted by Mudge  on  from Dear, dead Austin 12/07  at  10:22 AM
  8. Mudge...how’s the editing going?  I am looking forward to getting some time to read your novel.

    Hello all…

    I wonder how much more of our own poison we can take?:

    http://tinyurl.com/9yeja

    Posted by JOS  on  from PR 12/07  at  10:38 AM
  9. Mornin’, Humans -

    Congrats, Mickey - and James, too.  You’re rousing the nation from its slumbers, one B&N at a time.

    Hi Big Country, real good to see you!

    Michael, it appears that the “Platform” people do some very interesting work.  Thanks for the links.  I hate Adobe, but I’m going to download the piece, anyway…

    Amelopsis, I didn’t know anything about the Montreal massacre.  Spooky stuff.  I’m consistently amazed by how many men truly seem to hate women.  I just can’t understand it.  The abuse of females by males is almost a pandemic - and then there are events like this massacre…
    Am I so very unusual, in that I had a pretty good relationship with my mother?  I still think of her ( in some ways ) as one of the great beings I’ve encountered during my generally rediculous existence.  Perhaps because of my pwn experiences, I tend to see this treatment of women as pretty psychotic, and as downright “traitorous,” somehow, though that might not be quite the right word. 
    I simply can’t grasp what it is that’s caused such widespread loathing…

    Thanks for the links, too, James, though I couldn’t quite finish either article. 
    While I didn’t think Farenheit 911 was particularly scintillating, it’s a giant leap of madness, I think, to defend the Bush Administration, under any circumsatnces, at any level.  Hentoff’s piece strikes me as “bad faith,” pure and simple.  Perhaps Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate someone who was a monster, someone who “needed” to be removed from contact with all other humans.  It’s still hard to imagine devoting an entire essay to a defence of Dahmer’s actions…

    Posted by joe  on  from Oregon 12/07  at  11:06 AM
  10. And, here’s a “Good Mornin,” just for you, Mudge, you optimistic curmudgeon, you.  It’s dark, cold and rainy here, too.  Perhaps we should have a mid-winter rally in Puerto Rico sometime soon.  We can sleep on Big Country’s couch…

    Posted by joe  on  from Oregon 12/07  at  11:10 AM
  11. Thanks Joe-- obviously been saving these up for awhile, glad that you see them as perplexing as I do. The Hitchens piece was one of my 1st indications of his ‘brain tumor’ as someone described him recently… and man that Hentoff piece did stir up all kinds of self-doubt, as I usually do like his writing.

    Posted by James  on  from Hell's Kitchen 12/07  at  11:13 AM
  12. Got 50AR this morning, now that is a subway book if ever I saw one Mickey. I´m typing novel today and a masseuse friend from Brighton Beach - who is going to have some serious backwork on me when I finish - lay on my couch all day and yelled quotes by Mohammed Ali and Lenny Bruce at me.

    P.S. Michael Moore is a gubbermintal dissident. Saw an Alex Jones documentary where he approached him on street asked him why he made no mention of NORAD worlds´ most sophisticated air defence system shutting down on Sept 11 and Moore said ´That would be unamerican.´

    Posted by Owen  on  from Barcelona 12/07  at  11:52 AM
  13. Yeah, James, over the years, I’ve enjoyed Hentoff, too.  Even when I’ve disagreed with him, which has been fairly frequent, I’ve not been able to stop thinking of him as a cool dude.  He lost his cool a bit here, though, eh?

    Big Country - amazing and truly disturbing article.  I don’t know whether to say thanks, or to go off and get drunk…
    Though I can’t call myself a “primitivist,” my readings in Zerzan’s “Against Civilization” have uncovered some wonderful perspectives.  Several of the writers talk about our general view of primitive humans, who, we always say, were always just one step ahead of starvation, disease, and wretchedness.  They go on to note that studies of primitive remains, by various pathologists, shows them to have been remarkably healthy, vigorous, almost universally free of birth defects, and very quick to heal, after an injury.  It’s “civilization,” which has introduced so much disease and deformity and misery - all the while claiming to be only hope of salvation…
    Thanks, Big Guy. 
    Hey, how’s your PR blog coming along?

    Posted by joe  on  from Oregon 12/07  at  11:55 AM
  14. Joe!  What’s up, my man.  That link was pretty fricking depressiing, I know.  We really are pumping poison into ourselves and all life on the planet.

    The PR blog only exists in my mind at this point with plenty of ideas circulating around.  I have been going through a difficult time at present, though I now see myself coming out of it stronger than ever.  Once things settle down in the coming weeks I will be blogging away at it.

    By the way...there is a couch (and perhaps in the future, even a whole room with a bed) available here for you and the rest of the Expendables who happen to make it to our island of enchantment.

    Posted by JOS  on  from PR 12/07  at  12:09 PM
  15. Hello everyone,

    I wonder if Uncle Noam and Carl Sagan ever sat down over coffee...?

    And speaking of December 7, I stumbled across this comparison between Pearl Harbor and 9/11: http://tinyurl.com/cs7rb

    We got down to eight below last night—eleven below in Denver.  I read this morning that a Denver homeless man died, which always reminds me that a safe dwelling is not something to take for granted.

    Congratulations on your signing last night, Mickey.  Wish I could’ve attended.

    Posted by Hawk  on  from Boulder, CO, USA 12/07  at  12:35 PM
  16. Hey Owen, I’m sorry I missed you… Yes, it seemed to me that Moore barely touched on any of the major points of contention about the events of September 11.  If one decides to examine the day, in a documentary, one might at least cover all the bases.  Though I rarely dwell on all this stuff, I think the official version is absurd, and I wish Moore had been more courageous in his review of the day’s events…

    Things have been a bit weird, here, too, Big Country.  The weirdness can be summed up with a single word:  Money.
    Did you happen to catch that Mike Whitney piece I linked to, yesterday?  If not, please have a look.  It explains a great deal about the financial predicament of ordinary folks, myself included… I don’t know what your weirdness is, of course, though I know you recently switched jobs, and jobs are all about money…

    I’m anxious to browse about PR, JOS.  The island has always very much intrigued me.

    Hi Hawk.  Thanks for the link.  It’s a very interesting, and scary article.  ( And, a surprise to see that Art Linkletter is still alive! ) It’s amazing, isn’t it, to see how they’re willing to spend our money?  I read that the US government has spent maybe $13 trillion on war / defence since 1940.  During that time we were attacked twice, and defended - uh, not at all.  Perhaps we should have spent more money…

    Mickey has some wonderful pieces on FDR, Pearl Harbor, and Executive Order 9066, one of America’s great war crimes.  Maybe he’ll be good enough to post some of the links, they’re great reading.  Before our financial woes began, I was working on a longer piece about the general savagery of Democratic administrations, but it’s on the back burner for a while. 
    Also, here’s an interesting piece on Roosevelt’s foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor, from Mr. Cockburn, himself:
    http://tinyurl.com/azm3w

    Good to see you, Hawk…

    Posted by joe  on  from Oregon 12/07  at  01:15 PM
  17. Hello everyone (too many to list, huh?). I only have a minute but I wanted to comply with Joe’s request. This piece is about internment camps: http://tinyurl.com/dus77

    This one is more about overall Democratic duplicity (excuse the cigarette crack in the first graph, Joe): http://tinyurl.com/c8f8a

    I’ll be back soon to join in…

    Posted by Mickey Z.  on  from Astoria 12/07  at  01:33 PM
  18. jusr read the east timor bit mickey. good stuff. were you aware that john pilger has done a lot about this? http://pilger.carlton.com/timor

    Posted by michael  on  from scotland 12/07  at  01:37 PM
  19. Hi Joe,

    Thanks for the Cockburn link, which I haven’t read yet but will later this afternoon, and I look forward to reading the Mickey material you mentioned—I’d like to blog on it, in fact.

    Meandering stream-of-consciousness warning:  watch out for the remainder of this comment!

    Like many of us, I went through a concentrated period lasting several years (this would’ve started in the early 90’s, around the time of the first Gulf Attack), during which I read (or devoured) as much contrarian, alternative history as I could get my hands on.  Then, I weathered the inevitable aspersions cast by “serious” people who don’t believe in conspiracies—as if all of life is not an infinite conspiracy made up of gazillions of smaller conspiracies.  I’ve sort of come full circle, in that I don’t want to cut myself off from otherwise good people who are still bought into the System on some level—I don’t want to live in constant opposition with that same System—so, I’m developing an attitude of peaceful coexistence, if that makes sense.  On a personal level, I can choose to opt out of the mass-marketing paradigm, at least to the point where I become conscious of what I do with my time, money and emotions, and construct a lifestyle that supports my choices.  I’m finding that, once I free myself from the really big lies (like Pearl Harbor, JFK, MLK, Malcolm X, RFK, AIM, Black Panthers, Iran/Contra, Cold War, Cointelpro, 9/11, etc., etc., etc.) that were systematically shoved down my throat from infancy onward, it becomes easier and easier to accept alternative ways of looking at reality, so that I can begin to live in that freedom even as 99% of humanity (at least in the Western world) continues to drink the Kool Aid.  I’m trying not to preach, but to just be myself and put it out there, and let folks think what they want to think, without any particular attachment to outcome.

    Though I’ve read Mickey’s articles on the web over the past few years, and have linked to him on my site all that time, I’m only just now figuring out that he truly stands for the idea of simplifying one’s life, becoming aware of one’s ability to live life on one’s own terms, and checking out of the consumerist mentality as much as possible.  He represents what happens when a person begins to free him/herself from the incessant disinformation flow that has bombarded us all along, and starts to find valid alternatives based on health, mutual aid, creativity and so forth.  When we walk the talk, as does Mickey, we really do become a threat to the Borg Mind—but we also go far in pulling humanity back from the brink.

    So what I’m saying is, he’s a good egg and I’m glad to have finally landed here with the Expendables.

    Posted by Hawk  on  from Boulder, CO, USA 12/07  at  01:49 PM
  20. Thanks, Mickey.  I hadn’t read that Disinfo piece…
    And, thank you, Michael.
    I’ve not read Pilger, on Timor.
    Chomsky, of course, hammered away at it for quite a while.
    It’s hard to think about the events there without becomming enraged, you know?
    I remember spending about a week with Chomsky’s Timor stuff, back in the 1980’s.  I finally had to put the book down, for a while, as I felt so angry most of the time, I was almost unable to function… The “whole world” was going dark.
    I often want to go door to door, and say:
    “Hi, just stopped by to mention that - if you knew what your government was doing, right now, in any one of dozens of places,
    with your money and in your name,
    you’d cry yourself to sleep for the next several years...”

    Cowardice has prevented me from doing so, thusfar…

    Posted by joe  on  from Oregon 12/07  at  01:56 PM
  21. Hey Joe and all...my issues certainly have a lot to do with money...though I have not yet switched jobs (part of the problem)...I am supposed to hear about whether or not I will be switching very, very soon.

    I did not see the link you provided yesterday and I will go take a look now.  I have been reading a lot about how this economy is doing well...except for family household incomes, that has been going down for several years straight, but as long as that economy is doing well, who cares about all of those families?

    Posted by JOS  on  from PR 12/07  at  02:28 PM
  22. love the article on east timor and pearl harbor.  i read the pearl harbor before but it’s good to have a second or infinite look at important articles helps one mine through the b.s.

    you mean posters like these, one of the themes is protect the white womens from those subhumans and check out mickey rooney:  http://tinyurl.com/cowkt

    Posted by tm  on  from in a grove 12/07  at  02:44 PM
  23. I’m sorry Hawk, I didn’t see you there. 
    I agree with you about trying to live and let live, as it were.  I sure don’t want to be at war with my neighbors - though I’d sure like to help wake them up…
    I generally feel that, the more awake I am, the more I can somehow be useful to our cause.  In a room full of sleeping and near-sleeping people, someone just up on his feet, moving about, will rouse a few people from their slumbers, and their dreams. 
    Ultimately, for me, everything comes back to the guy in the mirror:  If I’m an idiot, it doesn’t matter how well I can “preach the gospel,” the idiocy will ooze through, and cover the message with bullshit…
    I agree with you, too, about your take on Mickey’s life / lifestyle.  He seems to have a philosophy of ahimsa - first of all, do no harm.
    I’ve been moving in that direction throughout my life, though I’ve been less successful, I think, than Mickey has.
    We may not be able to tear down the Empire, but we can stop helping them build and mantain it.

    Big Country - here, it seems that wages and health care and retirement benefits just keep decreasing, while prices continue to rise.  Rosemarie mentioned, some time ago, that she sees more and more elderly people who simply have no teeth.  “Civilized” people in their 50’s and 60’s and up, often loose their teeth, but they go out and buy dentures to fill the space.  Now, however, there seem to be lots of folks who can’t even afford to put teeth into their mouths.  When it comes down to food OR teeth, food wins every time, I guess… It’s frightening that such decisions should ever have to be made, however.

    Great Posters, TM… thanks for the link.  That site, I assume, is run by Japanese Americans.  There are a variety of such sites, most of which are excellent.  Alot of internees ( prisoners ) and their children and grandchildren have not forgotten, and are as passionate as we are about waking people up…

    Gotta go out for quite a while.  Thanks very much, everyone, for the great gab.  I sure love this place… and we, Mickey and the rest of us… we are this place.

    Posted by joe  on  from Oregon 12/07  at  03:12 PM
  24. So much great stuff today. Important stuff. Mickey, ever think about posting recordings of these talks you give? It’s just another format to share info. Okay, look out, long one:

    Joe, you said:

    I often want to go door to door, and say:
    “Hi, just stopped by to mention that - if you knew what your government was doing, right now, in any one of dozens of places, with your money and in your name, you’d cry yourself to sleep for the next several years...”

    Cowardice has prevented me from doing so, thusfar…

    And Derrick Jensen asks (in A Language Older Than Words):

    What are sane and appropriate responses to insanely destructive behavior?"

    The problem, as I see it, is it’s just not a good tactic. You’re no coward, Joe. How does one wake up to the reality that everything is tears, and that without opening their eyes? A little story:

    September 11, 2002, my girlfriend and I printed up flyers we found on ZNet, translated them into Polish, and handed them out in a little square in front of a church in Krakow’s medieval old town. In the church, VIP’s were treated by the American Embassy to Gorecki’s 3rd Symphony, Barber’s Adagio for Strings, and other tearjerkers, in memory of the victims of 9/11. Our flyers were non-confrontational, just a polite reminder that “our cry of grief is not a cry for war"---the US was assembling its shameful collection of lies that were its case for war on Iraq at that time, remember. We knew a war was coming, we knew about Guantanamo. We wanted others to know. People had assembled out front of the church where a jumbotron displayed the concert. The responses of the people who we offered the flyers to were instructive:

    “Are you a religion?”
    “Do I have to pay?”
    “What do you want?”
    “What’s the use?”
    “Why should I think about more killing?” (Hints of Barbara Bush)
    “Who do you represent?”
    “I don’t want any flyers.”

    And so on and so on. What we were doing made too much sense for it to make any sense. Now that’s the world we must deal with.

    Posted by Keir  on  from The Hague 12/07  at  03:39 PM
  25. Thanks for the update on East Timor, Mickey - and good to hear that your appearance at Barnes & Noble went quite well.  LOVE the photo but then I quite like teddy bears - and a certain Mickey Z. of course! 
    And hi to all of you MZ’ers from sunny Daylesford - about 70 F today and sunshine.

    Posted by Helga Fremlin  on  from Daylesford, Australia 12/07  at  03:52 PM
  26. And James, thanks for the links to the Hitchens and Hentoff pieces - I agree:  the ‘left’ can be so hard to keep track of ..

    Posted by Helga Fremlin  on  from Daylesford, Australia 12/07  at  03:56 PM
  27. Hawk says: “When we walk the talk, as does Mickey, we really do become a threat to the Borg Mind—but we also go far in pulling humanity back from the brink.”

    I so heartily concur.  It was beautifully said.  You’re an eloquent fellow, thanks for joining our wee band.

    It’s been a nightmare day, all about money, and not enough of it for necessities.  This so totally sucks I can’t even begin to believe it.

    I’m going to bed to watch movies...comedies.  Down with Love is as dismal as I can bear today, and anything where I get ogle Ewan McGregor and not deal with CG crapola is good.

    May everyone’s day get a turbocharge of positive energy!

    Posted by Mudge  on  from Dear, dead Austin 12/07  at  04:01 PM
  28. Mudge:  Thanks for the kind words, and for the warm welcome.

    Good comedy really puts things into a managable perspective, doesn’t it?  Helps us to remember to laugh at ourselves, if nothing else....

    Posted by Hawk  on  from Boulder, CO, USA 12/07  at  04:06 PM
  29. Hello everyone and welcome to Hawk, the newest Expendable. I’m not sure if I can catch up...but here goes nothing.

    Owen: Thanks for buying my book. You rock.

    Helga: Thanks for the endless positive energy.

    Amelopsis: Wow...that story you linked to was harsh. I also had not known about that sad incident.

    Michael: I don’t think I knew of Pilger’s East Timor work. Like most people, my interest in East Timor was spurred by Chomsky and Amy Goodman.

    TM and JOS: Thanks, as always, for the links and perspective.

    Keir: If and when I get some audio, I will try to share it. As for your story, I can relate. Count me among the many who have a sincere interest to do something but can’t conjure up a truly useful tactic.

    Mudge: Down with Love? Egad.

    Joe, Hawk, and Mudge: Thanks for the kind words. Like any human, it feels good when someone says nice things about you. However, please don’t go overboard. I will only let you down.

    All: I just got some nice shots from last night and will post a few tomorrow.

    “And” Joe said: “We are this place.” I like that...a lot.

    Posted by Mickey Z.  on  from Astoria 12/07  at  04:17 PM
  30. God I hate linking to Amazon, but it’s relevant to Hawk’s last post, so http://tinyurl.com/aly5g

    Yes, we need to laugh, but not too hard. Still, Mudge, if you need to today, ogle away!

    Posted by Keir  on  from The Hague 12/07  at  04:17 PM
  31. Mickey, missed you. Don’t sweat about finding a good tactic. It seems to have found you.

    Posted by Keir  on  from The Hague 12/07  at  04:19 PM
  32. Yeah man def. wait til next yr for the Melville and Dostoy. movies. Ever see Waking the Dead? Ultimately uplifting ending, but don’t see that now either. I was almost brought to tears, I wanted Jennifer Connely to be alive so badly…

    Glad that my years’ old links were appreciated; perplexing pseudo-left wing essays are timeless.

    Posted by James  on  from Hell's Kitchen 12/07  at  04:20 PM
  33. Mickey said:  “However, please don’t go overboard. I will only let you down.”

    Don’t do it!  You MUST uphold our expectations of perfection!

    If not… well, we’ve been let down by the best of them and are still coming back for more, no?

    Posted by Hawk  on  from Boulder, CO, USA 12/07  at  04:35 PM
  34. I’d say The Hawk is fitting in nicely, huh?

    Posted by Mickey Z.  on  from Astoria 12/07  at  04:41 PM
  35. Inevitable: http://tinyurl.com/bl597

    Posted by Mickey Z.  on  from Astoria 12/07  at  07:16 PM
  36. mickey, i was worried about being presumptuous with the pilger stuff but it seems ok. try and get a hold of the documentary (in fact, just email me if u want it)

    one tiny and pernickety point. “like MOST people, my interest....”

    most in US perhaps. but the MOST people who know about east timor (assuming you are not including the east timorese and the indonesians) will be the many other millions of people inhabiting that part of the world. in other words, not the people who have to be told by the few dissenting voices in this part of the world.

    Posted by michael  on  from scotland 12/07  at  08:04 PM
  37. Hi everyone...I only have a minute but want to say hello to everyone. Happy to see that our group is growing.  I had a glimpse of the Mudge Masterpiece...I am certain that everyone will love it.
    Congrats on your success last night, Mickey. As I have been saying, most communities have local access TV that by law is open to citizens. That means that anytime that Mickey makes a presentation, anywhere, we can air it...not just me but anyone, anywhere across the country.
    Joe and Mudge comment on the economy.  Every day the news gets worse. Thanks to Chavez some people will get cheaper heating oil. The US is now officially in such a rapid downward spiral that we have to accept foreign aid from Venezuela. Tonight’s news had a report that those who have been unable to pay their student loans will have it deducted from their social security, thus guaranteeing them poverty into and including their old age. I know quite a few who will be adversely affected by this new ruling. For a long time I advocated with my Congressman and Senators that student loans should be repaid as a percentage of income but that never happened. 
    We are coming up on the anniversary of the illegal invasion of Panama..time to remember when the US used WMD’s against our fellow Americans...AND what was the real reason that we invaded Panama? That’s another part of history that is conveniently left out of most text books.

    Posted by RMJ  on  from on the edge of the Empire 12/07  at  08:43 PM
  38. Hi Rosemarie. I was just wondering where you were today. I promise to make a post here about Panama on the actual anniversary (Dec. 20). Thanks for the reminder.

    Posted by Mickey Z.  on  from Astoria 12/07  at  08:49 PM
  39. Hey everyone,

    I just watched a video of Harold Pinter’s Nobel speech, delivered tonight (while the U.S. television audience—thus, the entire population—was diverted by the tragic air marshall shooting of a “disturbed” man in Miami).

    I put up a post with relevent links, if anyone’s interested.

    http://tinyurl.com/9zy3e

    Frankly, I’m blown away.  It’s not so much a rant as an expression of moral outrage by one of the planet’s truly wise persons.  My blood is tingling the same way it did when I first read A PEOPLE’S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES (senior year of high school, 1980-81).

    Now, off to dreamland....

    Posted by Hawk  on  from Boulder, CO 12/07  at  10:23 PM
  40. Thanks, Hawk...I’ll check that link tomorrow. I’m also off to bed. It’s 10:29 in Astoria. Signing off…

    Posted by Mickey Z.  on  from Astoria 12/07  at  10:29 PM
  41. “What we were doing made too much sense for it to make any sense. Now that’s the world we must deal with.”
    Keir, that is a truly wonderful expression… it’s my “line of the day.” Thanks much - and thanks for the very thoughtful, very powerful post.
    “I don’t want any fliers.” Something I’ve said dozens of times, and something I probably would have said, had I passed you guys in the street.

    Hi Rosemarie!  I, too, was wondering where you were.  Good to see you. 
    I think the student loan stuff is just part (albeit a significant part) of a broader plan to use debt / credit to drag us toward some sort of indentured servitude… Slowly but surely, we’ll not be citizens any more, at all -
    but… property.

    Mickey, you’re a good man, that’s enough for me.  If you were perfect, you’d make me sick.  Hey, I only want to hang out with people with scars, limps, stutters, occasional vacant stares, and strange predilections of all sorts. 
    The air marshal story is a sad one.  Reminds me of the Brazilian kid in London.  It’s against the law to be young, dark-skinned or ill.  Soon, it will be illegal to be scarred, to limp, to stutter, to stare vacantly, or to enjoy strange things… and illegal to love such people.

    Hawk - thanks for bringing Pinter’s speech to our attention.  I’ve only read the post at your place, but all I can say is - Tremendous. 
    Hey, thanks for the Moon of Alabama link, as well. 

    G’Night everyone.  I’m off to finish Pinter’s speech, then it’s to the Opium Den, for some much needed ‘clarity.’

    Posted by joe  on  from Oregon 12/08  at  12:28 AM
  42. Hi everyone.  What’s Mudge’s novel about & can I read some?  I write myself and have just finished a novel.  I’d be more than happy to offer what humble wisdom and support I can.

    Sorry to seem hugely out of the loop, but when did Richard Pryor die?  I feel a total fuckwit for not hearing about this.

    Posted by Chris Wood  on  from Manchester, England 12/11  at  11:58 AM
  43. Out of curiosity, how did everyone feel when Hunter S Thompson died?  It was the only time I’ve been up and writing early on a Monday morning when I had to leave for work half an hour later.  Just had to have my say about what the man meant to me.  Anyone else feel similar?  One of America’s greatest writers, in my view, and the kind of hellbrand required every so often.

    Posted by Chris Wood  on  from Manchester, England 12/11  at  01:29 PM

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