Mickey Z

Cool Observer

Monday, March 06, 2006

If voting could change anything...(well, you know the rest)

Posted by Mickey Z on 03/06 at 05:12 AM

good morning Mickey.

I’m full on in agreement with your voting excerpt. (self-important? are you letting the wiki page get to you?)

There’s nothing radical about leaving your voice unheard. Maybe once upon a time when voting could be done in a one room school house and the crowd would notice your conspicuous absence; but we’re nothing if not past any such age of relative innocence.

On voting - I did not vote for the party sitting in our minority government. Now with all the spin and condescension and arrogance coming from the conservative party - I think I’m beginning to know what it must have felt like some 5-6 years ago to be an American. I’ve got a sick feeling in my stomach and a building outrage about issues that they refuse to address, or say should not be discussed:
‘reassessing the war in Afghanistan is really not the best way to support our troops’
Whaaa??
I feel as though I’m through the looking glass.

I must think on a purposeful entry for transformation of the wiki page...proper thought will be given before typing there.

Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 03/06 at 08:56 AM

Not surprisingly, I have mixed feelings about voting and the Wikipedia.

I felt that I learned a lot of admirable things about Mr. Zezima (if that is indeed his name)-- even if I have serious doubts about his being a demagogue.

I believe voting is futile so long as America tolerates Diebold type machine voting. (Or after the Patriot Act was renewed, or that Rumsfeld, described by Kissinger! as the most ruthless individual he ever met, is still pursuing covert activities http://tinyurl.com/ppwz4 .)It was bad enough before-- ever heard about the story of votes found floating in the San Francisco Bay? I worked as an election poll worker that year-- and I was hardly surprised.

There was much gross malfeasance at the poll I was working at-- and none of my numerous complaints about it were ever responded to.

I have never personally accepted that Matt Gonzalez’s defeat to our current mayor Newsom was real. Gonzalez, a Green, won a majority of votes on election day (in spite of being outspent 10 - 1)-- Newsom squeaked by after absentee votes were tallied. Prior, the city was flooded by absentee ballots.

I had to make about five trips to our City Hall simply to clear up clerical errors made about my name, my address, and my political affiliation: problems that all began after I changed my affiliation from Democrat to Green.

I was an early admirer of the Wikipedia-- but became largely disillusioned with it when I discovered how aggressively vandals abuse it: especially with regard to articles I contributed to about Peter Camejo and George F. Kennan.

I have a good friend who has serious fears that our libraries are at risk by our over-reliance on internet technology-- and now RFIDs. A recent Wired article detracts from a religious woman’s sincere effort to reveal the danger of RFID technology in a book that parrallels secular concerns. http://tinyurl.com/nnmhr

My friend told me: “It is unfortunate that so many people are willing to marginalize people for any convenient reason; Katharine’s religious belief is something you can share or not share, argue with or not, but that should not prevent people from listening to what it is that concerns people, especially if the basis for it is factual and especially if, as in this case, the concerns are shared by non-apocalyptic types like ACLU and EFF.”

My friend believes that a powerful industry’s goals are determined to punch holes in concerns about RFIDs. I concur with him that the internet and spy technology is evolving more rapidly than we may be able to deal with it.

Must we take sledgehammers to Diebold machines? http://tinyurl.com/pd84e

Posted by Robert B. Livingston on from San Francisco 03/06 at 09:58 AM

Hello Empress and Robert. Only have a minute or two but let me clarify: My post about voting/not voting was not meant to say anyone should vote no matter what. The idea is to suggest that opting out of voting is not enough. We need more powerful forms of activism to challenge the status quo.

I concur with Robert, re: his concerns about a society overly reliant on the Web and so willing to “marginalize people for any convenient reason.”

As for Wiki, as I expected, today’s post has already provoked one of the trolls to add to my (sic) page. Zachary Levenson (a.k.a. “Donald Sanskrit” from Hiroshima) has added a comment about my wishing to avoid scrutiny. What’s most amazing—even more amazing that Zachary and his pals Merlin and Jordan wasting so much time worrying about a nobody like me—is that Wiki allows these kids to use their website as a platform for airing personal vendettas.

Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/06 at 10:10 AM

Richard I share Albrecht’s concern over the (mis)use of RFID and other surveillance methods and mechanations, I don’t however subscribe to her religious reasoning behind it and I think it’s expression does little to support her cause among the greater population. I fully support her right to be heard without being maligned unjustly.

Industry’s goal has been and will continue to be to marginalise concern by the populace wherever it threatens their profits, particularly so when the profit machine has govt. use or backing.

Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 03/06 at 10:12 AM

Simultyping Mickey,

Sorry for misrepresenting your expressions on voting - I’ve reread and my comment was more my own opinion. I agree that there are valid reasons why not voting is desirable - not least the entire Diebold “we will deliver the vote ...” that Richard rightly brings up.

Any idea as to a suitable alternative? It seems that nowhere is a reliable and trustworthy election to be found.
If you don’t vote, do you have a solid footing from which to complain about the mishandling of ballots? I think so, but would your argument not then be even more readily marginalised?

Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 03/06 at 10:39 AM

I think Rextroth has an excellent point that deserves consideration. I’ve often struggled with the notion that voting implicitly grants legitimacy to the highly limited form of “democracy” we have in the US.

The best thing I can think of is to vote for anyone except for a Republican or a Democrat. I think that’s better than not voting at all.

MZ, would you rather us edit the pedia entry or motion to have it deleted?

Posted by Jeremy on from Taiwan 03/06 at 10:50 AM

I agree with this as a good first step, Jeremy: “Vote for anyone except for a Republican or a Democrat.”

As for edit the Wiki entry vs. motion to have it deleted?
Whichever you deem appropriate. Thanks.

Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/06 at 11:08 AM

Wiki scares me, I’ve had people throw it’s links at me to defend the “official” version of 911. I think it can be a very good informative place to find out public knowledge and opinion. But the fact it throws the “encyclopaedia” tag at you makes people think it’s the ultimate source of truth. Bad News. It should be called “Soapbox” or “Worldsquare” Something that implies a vast sharing of opinion instead.

Voting has pissed me off for as long as I’ve been of age to vote. Ack! Almost 20 years! The people you want never get exposure or worse blamed for “spoiling” the “good” candidates win. I feel my opinion these days counts for more when I’m interacting with people face to face. Once you get outside of that communication becomes increasingly difficult if not impossible.

Have a good week everyone! I’m going to be one busy puppy.

Peace,

Posted by Luna_C on from The Delta 03/06 at 11:31 AM

Hello all, more Wiki fun eh? I’ll make a run over there and add my voice.

About voting, well, highly mixed emotions about that. Don’t have clue one what to do except vote for the other candidates, since simply doing nothing at all isn’t possible for me.

Here at my house this Monday ten-ish in the a.m., it’s already 70F. Spring has sprung! Last night as my friend and I were driving around, I noticed the redbud trees were blooming. They’re so beautiful I felt churlish being ticked that they were opening up shop two weeks early.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:1_istM6_TwD58M:www.soulofthegarden.com/Images

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 11:37 AM

I wholeheartedly agree with those who advocate that one should vote with their conscience and then work from there.

Also, the Wiki page should be deleted. Who has time to play these silly editing games?

Posted by Fiona on from San Diego 03/06 at 11:47 AM

Today’s A Word A Day email:

clerisy (KLER-i-see) noun

The well-educated class; the literati; the intelligentsia.

[From German Klerisei (clergy), from Medieval Latin clericia,
from Late Latin clericus (cleric), from Greek klerikos
(belonging to the clergy), from Greek kleros (inheritance).]

Intersting word, one I think Expendabes should think about using as a derogatory collective noun for the priest-like political class that controls access to the hearts and minds of Murricans. “The Repulsivecan clerisy” or “the Labour clerisy” or “the Conservative clerisy” e.g. I think the media equivalent is “punditry.”

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 11:56 AM

Hi all

My first post on this site, although I have been lurking for some time.

Mickey I think on the 50% of people who don’t vote, they get too much credit and too much blame.

For the most part I don’t think they are trying to make a statement but rather they have come to the logical conclusion that the politicians are all crooks and the result won’t change their life anyway.

But they are in general so out of touch with the system (not necessarily a bad thing)that they don’t even bother to have any opinion on issues . Their concern is living day to day

But I think that the problem with this attitude is the people in power know that is how the unimportant half think and therefore can ignore their collective opinions.

Although I don’t think I am in favor of it, imagine if we had mandatory voting. Once people are going to vote anyway, then perhaps at that point we could reach their minds

Posted by michael on from NY 03/06 at 12:06 PM

I’m glad you exposed Levenson, Mick. What a bore this guy is… 22 years old, wasting time on this...how sad! I can’t figure that Wiki editing out, but I hope people go over and correct or delete that nonsense.

Posted by JOS on from Chicago 03/06 at 12:08 PM

Another example, as though one were needed, of how corporate structures lead to sociopathic (or at the very least reprehensible) behavior:

The “near automatic” injunctions that judges issue when a company is found to be infringing a patent hurt innovation, tech organizations are arguing as the U.S. Supreme Court prepares to hear a high-profile patent case.

Tech trade groups such as the Business Software Alliance (BSA) want the Supreme Court to rule against the common practice of judges issuing injunctions to stop patent infringement.

...the threat of injunctions can make tech companies hostage to people who hold patents for the purpose of winning infringement lawsuits. Tech products such as laptop computers often have hundreds of patented parts, and an injunction could force a company to sell an entire product line because one small part is found to be infringing, Simon said.

Inventors take offense at being called patent trolls, saying injunctions are an important weapon when they’re going up against huge companies with deep pockets.

“Those companies get sued for their disreputable conduct, lose in a court of law on the merits of a case, and then try to paint their victims as the abusers,” Ronald Riley, president of the Professional Inventors Alliance, said Thursday in an e-mail exchange. “Their conduct is, to put it mildly, egregious, and includes abusing the process of law to bankrupt the people whose property they steal ... and using political influence to try and sway the courts and to definitely sway the patent office.”

Article: http://tinyurl.com/qwoou

Why should anyone who doesn’t like capitalism care? Because theft will always be a Bad Thing. Viewed from above, theft is the coercive, non-consensual appropriation of another being’s labor. Always bad. (Yes, I am aware of the implications for factory farming.)

Why I care is personal. My father had a small electronics start-up in the early 60s. He’d pursued a patent on a novel idea regarding switches (don’t really get it myself) and won several patents. Which were infringed. By Big Blue. He sued; he won; we went bankrupt. He’s never recovered from the betrayal he felt about this, and the fact that it cost him his marriage (this point I dispute with him, since all it did was bring up sooner rather than later the fact that he married someone he didn’t like and who didn’t like him).

I feel about this the way I do about welfare...better to support the dishonest with the honest, rather than deny all protection.

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 12:14 PM

Hello to Michael my NY namesake!

Michael from Scotland, Michael from NY, and Mickey from New York. This could get confusing!

just looked through and people were discussing outfoxed yesterday. it is a good film but plays along with Demican/Republocrat thing.

A far superior film is Danny Schechters Weapons of Mass Deception

Posted by michael on from scotland 03/06 at 12:26 PM

Pull the weed out by the root: Corporations should not be considered as individuals under the law. This would allow for the varying, and required interpretations to be made accordingly.

Slippery slope in some ways, but better to protect the individual.

Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 03/06 at 12:28 PM

MZ #3 and JOS #13: I give, why should this kid have singled you, MZ, out for a campaign of harassment? I agree, JOS, it’s good that MZ has outed the little pisher for the troll he is.

Michael #12: Welcome to the visible spectrum, and I hope you’ll be posting more often now the ice has been broken.

Fiona #10: Wow, you’re up and posting early in your day! Good reasons given here, of course.

Luna #8: That word “encyclopedia” is really the source of the problem. It carries such connotations of permanence and authority, so unwarranted in the case of Wikipedia. Can’t, in practical terms, prevent them from using the label, but only make certain to “trust but verify” anything one sees there.

Hi Jeremy! Wise words.

Empress #5: “If you don’t vote, do you have a solid footing from which to complain about the mishandling of ballots? I think so, but would your argument not then be even more readily marginalised?” I must respectfully point out that the idea of “standing” is very relevant here. As a voter, one has standing to complain of unaddressed allegations of votes being mishandled anywhere in the USA. Otherwise one’s arguments and warnings and such-like are dismissed out of hand by the electoral clerisy as irrelevant, coming from non-voters.

I can’t encourage someone to act against their ideals and participate in a syste that they find inimical; I can only say that their voices can only be added to a chorus, not lead the chants for changing the system they do not support.

One man’s opinion.

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 12:43 PM

I wouldn´t vote for anyone. Way it works in my band is we don´t do anything unless everybody is happy - if we voted on things we´d never get any music played.

Posted by Owen on from Barcelona 03/06 at 01:00 PM

Owen #18: Consensus is a form of voting, and those unhappy get to vote with their feet. The smaller and more voluntary the allegiances to the group are, the more fair this system is.

We can’t even make all the EXPENDABLES happy...stretch that to an entire neighborhood, oy! Such tsurres!

Thus the genesis of the New Utopian Imperium. Once Empress Amelopsis and I agree on something, It’s The Law. Fair, inclusive decision-making guaranteed, since the population that needs to be persuaded and informed is so small. Voila!

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 02:47 PM

Oh dear Mudge - the oedilf has no entries for either utopia or imperium. I think RMJ’s services should be enlisted forthwith.

And I’m confused re#17 / #5....I think that what you say is what I meant - suffering from some sleep depravation today though so I might be missing something in the reading (doh!)

captcha: “united”

Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 03/06 at 03:06 PM

Thank YOU, Mickey! I don’t think that not voting is the right thing to do somehow - at the very least those who do not vote (a right more than a few people have died for) should not complain about the policies of the government they did not vote for. Just my opinion.

And a somewhat sleepy ‘hi’ to Amelopsis, Robert B. Livingston, Jeremy, Luna_C, Fiona, the two Michaels from NYC and Scotland, Owen and last but by no means least, MUDGE from (dear dead) Austin.
Now I might go back to bed but only after having checked that Wikipedia page ..

Might be back later - it is only 7:12 am on a Tuesday and for some reason I did not get much sleep last night.

Auf Wiederemailen!

Posted by Helga Fremlin on from Daylesford, Australia 03/06 at 03:11 PM

You guys are far too soft. I vote we firebomb the Wilkepedia offices, slaughter Zachary the dickhead & his Buddhist (non profit scientist!) pretensions and start murderering right wing anchors every week, barbecuing their offal and urinating into their dying mouths.

Possibly. Either that or we accept that these fuckstains are going to be with us for a long, long time. I suggest our collective consensus should be: #### ‘em. A fool’s rebuke is a kingly title, as Blake put it.

It’s easy for me to say that, of course, as it wasn’t me getting shat on by dickless wonders. But as a teacher I do get a lot of insults from people whose opinions don’t matter (disgruntled pupils, the head etc). I was called a gimp last week, & whilst you guys may agree and have to nod your collective Expendable heads at such accuracy, I can honestly say it didn’t bother me. Haven’t been effected by an insult in the classroom since the first time I was called a c***. Since MZ is a teacher & the Wilki page has the same malicious stupidity as a wantonly abusive pupil, I suggest the analagy is fair.

A nice thing about MZ’s no. 1 troll - did you see the picture? Ethnic food, yellow baseball cap, dumb grin - ah, cluelessness like that just can’t be bought.

Voting in the UK is of course different to the US - we have much subtler fraud going on. My mother used to say she felt she ought to vote because for so long women couldn’t. My grandad used to vote because, as an Irish Catholic, he was pleased his view mattered a #### at all. I vote because I like to feel I can oust oily dickheads. I suspect all three views have a few cracks in the reasoning.

Howzabout we write our own Wilki page & submit it? I’m sure between us we can rustle up some impressive credentials (eg invent them - only kidding!). Plus we’ve actually read MZ’s books, so I feel we have the edge ...

Posted by Chris Wood on from Manchester, England 03/06 at 03:34 PM

Empress #20: I think we’re talking at cross purposes, somehow...I’m saying “vote so you can bitch” and I think you’re saying “bitch away, vote or not.” I’d never ask someone to vote if such was against his/er principles, I just feel that if you don’t participate in something, belt up about it. I operate on the same principle re: TV and movies...if I haven’t seen it, I don’t knock it. I might knock its genre or its ad campaign or its target market, but I can’t fairly criticize something I’ve never seen.

You’ll probably have noticed that I don’t participate in the foreign relations discussions as often as they come up. I don’t feel at all comfortable calling Israel a terrorist government when the US government perpetrates horrific terrorist acts in Afghanistan and Iraq and calls them war. As a US citizen, I feel my focus should be on MY government’s actions and I should leave others to their citizenry. I don’t say others should follow this path, but I feel strongly about doing the wash at home before copmmenting on someone else’s dirty laundry.

I also don’t add much to the war-crimes chat because I think my record is clear: Don’t kill people, unless they’re in your PERSONAL face with a weapon. Government should be about helping its citizens, not killing others in their names. Enough said. Is there some practical action needs taking...a sign to carry, a petition to sign? I’m there. Rehearsing my grievances isn’t a thing I care to do. Want me to make a difference in some specific way? Okay!

But that’s just how I order my life. YMMV.

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 03:45 PM

well since “michael ny” is taken and their are so many michaels anyway I will use my nickname, and be more specific about my secret location.

Beer anyone? Man that shows my age and if you don’t get it, you probably have a lot of years left.

Thanks all for the welcome.

Posted by Schlitz (michael) on from great neck 03/06 at 03:51 PM

Helga #21: Auf Wiedermailen! ROFL Every time. I love that. Popularize that among German speakers!

Chris #22: “I vote we firebomb the Wilkepedia offices, slaughter Zachary the dickhead & his Buddhist (non profit scientist!) pretensions and start murderering right wing anchors every week, barbecuing their offal and urinating into their dying mouths.” I do NOT want to know what it’s like to be on your bad side. EVER.

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 03:53 PM

Hey Expendables. I just have to moment to say hello to all...and to welcome Schlitz (glad you decided to join in and hope it’ll become a regular thing). Also, I’d like to clarify that Levenson is not my primary troll. That would be Merlin Chowkwanyun. (More about him soon.)

Hoping to see your Wiki edits up and running soon.

I’ll stop by later to catch up.

Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/06 at 04:01 PM

I’m a little remiss in my ‘hello’s today...Michael, Michael now known as Schlitz, JOS, Helga, Robert, Jeremy, Luna, Fiona...sorry if I missed someone…

Mudge yes we’re pretty much on the same page - personally I think ‘vote or don’t complain’, but (there’s almost always one of those from me) I don’t think that someone who doesn’t vote doesn’t have the right to point out the obvious inadequecies with the system, and those should still be heard: a citizen is a citizen, voting or not.

I feel free to point out injustices all over the place. Here, there, home, abroad, everywhere. If they’re going to sell us all on the ‘world being our oysters’ then I’ll feel free to point fingers where I see fit.
But (see - told you) I will always be sure to point at home.

Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 03/06 at 04:02 PM

Mudge, you could never be on my shitlist. (For one thing, with all the detritus in politics, evangelism, entertainment etc etc I sincerely doubt I’d have the time!)

Clerisy is a wonderful word, IMHO. Nice to see a recrudesence of word sharing! I heard a new one the other day - ethnomusicologist. I just like the sound of it! It could be so many things.

I agree in some ways in you rapproach to criticising governments, but what about collective terrorism? I too think that the home washing should be done first, but in England much of our personal government’s shit ties in with yours. We have our own buttload of other flaws, of course: take your pick here, but US terrorism does tie in with us. & I can’t think of many other countries that strike me as shittier, & certainly none more hypocritical.

Posted by Chris Wood on from Manchester, England 03/06 at 04:18 PM

What´s YMMV? looks kabbalistic.

Posted by Owen on from Barcelona 03/06 at 04:25 PM

Greetings all...I just posted something at the Wiki site, Mickey. If it does not show up, please e-mail me and tell me what I did wrong.
My comment was brief because I wasn’t sure that it would post.

About voting...I have never missed a vote in my life but I am starting to believe that voting is not important. I always vote my conscience. My candidate has NEVER won. Usually my vote is not even recorded when the newspaper lists the totals. 47 years of voting and not one “win” to report. Tomorrow, again, I will go to the polls, but I have given up thinking that it will ever do any good. Here at the polls they give out free coffee, juice, donuts. The donuts are great and make up for what is lacking in the candidates.

Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 03/06 at 04:38 PM

ABOUT VOTING, Below is a paragraph from an old article of mine. Should every election since 1947 be declared invalid?

“...Did the coup happen way back on July 26, 1947 when President Truman signed the National Security Act, which authorized a Black Budget? Maybe, I am not sure. What I do know for sure is that until we eliminate the Black Budget, we should not pretend that we have a democracy. If you can’t follow the money, you cannot be an informed citizen. If the National Security Act of 1947 authorizes the withholding of important information from the voters, it follows that informed consent has been lacking at the polls; therefore, every national election since 1947 should be declared invalid. The authorization of a Black Budget not only allows government deception; it encourages and rewards it. Also there is the little matter of a conflict with the U.S. Constitution...specifically Article 1, Section 9. It states “...a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public money shall be published...”

Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 03/06 at 05:12 PM

RMJ #31: “If you can’t follow the money, you cannot be an informed citizen.” Simple, yet elegant. We should be taught the Constitution from the day we start to read and be tested every Friday from then on.

Owen #29 YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary.

Posted by Cart on from near Warshington DC 03/06 at 06:09 PM

Right at this very moment in Bennington’s annual Town Meeting the Impeachment of Bush is being discussed. One of my friends has just offered a resolution, if it passes, the State legislature will be asked to go for Impeachment. I think that Impeachment resolutions can be brought by any State Legislature.......looks like the resolution will fail.

Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 03/06 at 08:02 PM

I’ve not made it to constructing a suitable wiki edit, and I don’t yet quite grasp all the confabulations on their site - in the works is the best I can say for the moment.

Good night to all, I’m “behind” in my sleep so it’s an early early night.

Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 03/06 at 08:04 PM

Empress #27: Pointing them out’s the privilege of being alive and informed. It’s just that your voice and my voice really are best raised and our energies spent in washing, not sniffing. Still and all, I apply this standard to myself and suggest it to others.

Chris #28: I take comfort in your assurances, and I remain cowering in a corner because it’s ALWAYS someone’s turn. >eep<

RMJ #30,31: Oh wow. My mind is completely disorganized by this thought. I need time to process the implications of this.

Cart #32: Thanks for explaining to Owen from #29, while I was away. I figured that one was so old a bit of leet-speak it was normal ‘round the net.

MZ #26: Really. What set these postadolescent pishers off on you in the first place? Did you take their skateboards? What?

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 08:05 PM

More corporate malfeasance disguised as good business:

AT&T-BellSouth Merger May Force Job Cuts

NEW YORK - AT&T Inc. plans to cut up to 10,000 jobs, mostly through normal turnover, if its $67 billion purchase of BellSouth Corp. is approved by shareholders and regulators, AT&T’s chief financial officer said Monday.

Full article: http://tinyurl.com/ohrw4

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 08:10 PM

And lastly, you can get the justice you can pay for:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court declined on Monday to hear a challenge to a ruling that overturned a $1.06 billion judgment against State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co. over the parts used in collision repairs.

http://tinyurl.com/zmwvy

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 08:26 PM

I must admit: I’m not catching up today. Fortunately, you sure don’t need me to conduct an interesting conversation. I will chime in and say I do not believe one has to vote in order to “earn” the right to complain or protest. The act of not voting is a form of complaint or protest to some degree.

Mudge, I’ll eventually try to explain why these odd, sad kids have chosen me...although it’s not 100% clear why they’d take their jihad to this extent. I truly was hoping someone would delete the personal slander and replace it with fact. The main Wiki page is for data. The “discussion” page can contain some opinion but nothing of the sort Merlin and his playmates have written. Speaking of them, Levenson just added more nonsense. Can you imagine what it’s like to be him? This is our future, people.

Anyway, here’s how you can edit my (sic) Wiki page. Thanks...that’s the last I’ll say about this for a while. I’m too burnt out to bother.

I’ll try to stop by later to sign off.

Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/06 at 08:46 PM

Mudge # 37...That is one more example of corruption in the Judicial system. Sadly, people who sit on juries don’t know about all of the corruption behind the scene. The practice of hiring Expert witnesses (Liars for Hire) has corrupted the system beyond anyone’s wildest imagination. The side with the most money can hire anyone to say anything, that’s just the way that it is. Unless you have a ton of money, you don’t stand a chance in any Court in the USA.

Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 03/06 at 08:52 PM

RMJ #39: Ain’t that the sad truth. Depressing as hell.

MZ #38: The trolls are, in fact, back in possession of the field. Editing the page is ineffective, I fear. Dispute’s the best one can do now.

Posted by Mudge on from Austin 03/06 at 10:00 PM