Mickey Z
Cool Observer
Wednesday, October 11, 2006
Who killed Michael Moore?
Okay, MZ, you got me. I really work for the FBI, come around here to make sure there’s no troublemaking going here.
Seems there’s plenty of troublemaking going on here.
I better quit playing around. If MZ’s hunch is right, I might get busted for impersonating a federal officer.
Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 10/11 at 06:13 AMDamn Jeremy! That was supposed to be my tactic. Remember, at the meeting, we decided that I would out myself as an operative here, and then take it back, feigning fear of getting busted? Remember? It was my turn. You always do that. I can’t work with novices anymore.
Posted by Keir on from The Hague (Jackowski election hdqts) 10/11 at 07:43 AMWell, in that case, I will just have to arrest both of you, Jeremy and Keir!
Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 10/11 at 08:00 AMPS: Mickey, we in the spy community would like to let you know that it’s a very good article you’ve written.
I don’t know who said it (possibly Kwame Toure?), but there’s a track on Boogie Down Productions’ 1990 record Edutainment with someone saying this:
“History is never made by one person, we must smash this one quickly. History is only made by the masses of the people, this is clear. Even a cursory glance at the fallacious presentation of history by the American capitalist system will demonstrate just this.
Take George Washington as bad as he is, put him in the middle of Valley Forge by himself surrounded by the British, he can do nothing. Take Martin Luther King as righteous as he is, put him in the middle of Birmingham by himself speaking out against racism, he will be lynched.
But you take this same King, you take this same Washington, put them in Valley Forge, put them in Alabama, surround them with thousands of people who have the same ideas they do, willing to make those ideas reality, and the situation changes drastically.”
I think Chomsky and Jensen get the same treatment from authority as Moore (i.e., they’re all happily tolerated, perhaps even encouraged) not because of what they say or write or do, but because authority feels pretty damn certain that no one will take their work to heart in any way that threatens authority’s, er . . . authority. Why wipe out Michael Moore when you can keep him around to fool people into thinking they’re leftists?
Posted by Keir on from The Hague (Jackowski election hdqts) 10/11 at 08:02 AMDamn, I used to be a Counterpunch subscriber, though I check the website daily, I miss good articles like that. I was accused of being a cop-spy before at a lefty meeting, I guess because of my size and squared-jaw appearance. I have anarchist tattoos, which would have proven my cred, but alas, it was cold and I was wearing layers. That might make a good Saturday story sometime.
Posted by Brian on from Belly of the Beast 10/11 at 08:20 AMKeir...I agree. The illusion of leftism in the usa is stifling a “real” opposition movement. It seems to me, in looking back over the years, that the usa population is much like a lobster put in a pan of water and then turning the heat on. The “cooking” is so gradual that the myth is that the lobster doesn’t know it should escape. (Apologies for the poor analogy.) If someone had told us years ago that pre-emptive wars of aggression, torture, cluster bombs, etc. would be the policy of the usa, it would be shocking. Now it is just accepted with a lot of apathy and there is NO popular opposition movement.
Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 10/11 at 08:23 AMDude, I’m totally geeked! ZNet published an article of mine today! That’s a major step up for me.
Of course, if they knew who I really worked for, they might have thought twice…
Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 10/11 at 08:23 AMI’m sorry, Keir (re #2). You’re not going to put that in your report to HQ, are you?
Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 10/11 at 08:39 AMGood morning, Jeremy, Keir, Brian, Rosemarie Jackowski, and others whose web information is known to US.
I shall no go to work, there to foment a takeover of the country by the Pizza Mafia. Heart attacks for all!
Posted by Mudge on from Austin, Texas 10/11 at 08:43 AMIf Michael Moore were ever eliminated by the powers who be; I for one, would be saddened. When most in America were either compliant in their fear or stubbornly supporting the Bush regime, he had the balls to bring forth the dirty little secrets behind the cabal, albeit, with a satirical edge. What the rest of the world had already concluded about the US leadership, Moore exposed for those in America willing to look.
A good morning to all from rainy Montreal.
Posted by Canadian Observer on from 10/11 at 09:13 AMCongratulations, Jeremy! That is cool as hell…
Keir (and the other undercover spies here) hit the nail on the head. Why kill him and rile things up? Things are going just fine the way they are.
But what if they killed Moore and then moved on down the list of lefties? I think you might see a lot more of us start growing some balls and fighting back. Great article, Mick.
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 10/11 at 09:26 AMIt is astonishing to me that CNN would actually print this:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/index.html
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 10/11 at 09:29 AMJOS, #11, thanks very much. #12, that reminds me. Two notable items from the NYT today:
1) Jimmy Carter, in an op-ed, acknowledged a fact I’ve always mentioned in discussions on the topic of North Korea, but which I haven’t seen in print since 2002:
"But beginning in 2002, the United States branded North Korea as part of an axis of evil, threatened military action, ended the shipments of fuel oil and the construction of nuclear power plants and refused to consider further bilateral talks. In their discussions with me at this time, North Korean spokesmen seemed convinced that the American positions posed a serious danger to their country and to its political regime.
Responding in its ill-advised but predictable way, Pyongyang withdrew from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, expelled atomic energy agency inspectors, resumed processing fuel rods and began developing nuclear explosive devices."2) They ran a story on the Iraq civilian death study:
"A team of American and Iraqi public health researchers has estimated that 600,000 civilians have died in violence across Iraq since the 2003 American invasion, the highest estimate ever for the toll of the war here."
The previous study by the same researchers, published in the Lancet medical journal, estimated nearly 100,000 civilian deaths as a result of the initial stages of the war. The Times says that estimate was “criticized as high”. In fact, it was regarded as a conservative estimate by many, for a number of reasons, including because clusters of more extreme violence, such as Fallujah, were excluded.Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 10/11 at 10:30 AMHello Expendables...from overcast NYC. Wow, it didn’t take much to get you guys to break. I’m lucky that I have nothing to hide.
The Michael Moore piece has been postly pretty widely and, to some degree, I’ve tried to monitor the response. I’d say about 75% of the comments could be summed up as “weary resignation.”
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 10/11 at 12:57 PMHi Mickey.
Congratulations, Jeremy. Great article!!!JOS and Jeremy...the civilian body count number is leaking out. It has made it to MSM a few times, but not enough.
Mudge...I need a hug. My car, which only has 70,000 miles on it might be dead...a small leak in the fuel fill pipe. I am told that Ford no longer makes the part because the car is 13 years old. That’s what I call “planned obsolescence”. Damn the corporations.
Brian...your tattoos sound very interesting.
Canadian Observer...MM did some good. He enlightened a few but he did not go far enough. I think that he is basically a capitalist who is too willing to support the war machine. But I agree with you. He deserves credit for sticking his neck out and not knowing what price he might have to pay for it.
Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 10/11 at 01:00 PMRMJ, you are such a flirt.
I love it.Posted by JOS on from Chicago 10/11 at 02:11 PMHello again, everyone. I forgot to say CONGRATS to Jeremy.
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 10/11 at 02:30 PMLooks like I got out of the city just in time today:
http://tinyurl.com/eusqtPosted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 10/11 at 02:34 PMI suppose Moore’s efforts might seem “radical” in North American society to those who think CNN or Fox are giving them actual news but really as much as I applaud the near potential of his severely truncated jabs at the American regime, I would not think it a great loss if somebody who stumped for war criminal Wesley Clark, rendering most of his good intentions futile, fell off of the face of the Earth…
I find it kind of chilling that many here are making light of the modern escalated version of cointelpro.
Paranoia in that vein used to confound me then as I look deeper into matters it becomes quite a chilling prospect.
The idea that a cointelpro operation set up for vectoring potentially “radical” actors by chiding their lack of violent reactions to the modern totalitarian façade is no joke to me but a constant reality.
While I find the “what would you do?” hypothetical refreshing and challenging, it is, in the end just another question that leads to more speculation or “weary resignation.”There is indeed a organization, website or blog for every degree of “lefty”, “anarchist”, commie or heathen oriented postulator to find a sense of community and mutual outrage within but without greater networking and a truly grassroots movement of large numbers willing to meet extremes with extremes we will all be individually herded or vectored by questioners bereft of answers into individual acts of self-immolation that will pass as “terrorist” footnotes in corporate sidebars.
Leading by example is difficult and would be a “one shot deal” in these days of friendly fascist “protection” rackets convincing eater/breeders that anybody who defies the state status quo hates Jesus, Allah, (or whatever alien overlord the faceless billions have signed on with to follow to their personal ruin or subjective co-opting), and “freedom” is indeed an “evil doer” and worthy of a torture gulag vacation, hard faceless death in a cell or on the blood stained street or a life so riddled with futility and torment as to make it unworthy of living.
You are of course asking the right question and if I had a solid grasp on ironclad certitude and a following of opened minded numbers seeking leadership, I would love to supply an answer.Posted by Youngfox on from awfuckit 10/11 at 02:53 PM(rant continued)...
You must start somewhere and asking
the “right questions” in a networking forum is a good start.
If a critical mass of consensus can be achieved (and affirmed), then the time for offering more clever questions will be at a close and firm unwavering answers will be required or as in decades past the “critical mass” will just “grow up” and melt away to be re-amalgamated back into the control system as ambitious and productive status seeking consumers.The baby boomers proved that “changing the system from within” is a non-starter.
It is obvious that you have to burn off any hint of “radicalism” or “system unfriendly” tendencies to attain any kind of tangible power.
So what is the answer?
I tend to go to the rallies so discounted in this space and speak with as many people as possible to not only make suggestions but receive ideas myself while gauging the breadth of consensus for real change among the meek newbie’s of activism and those with a grasp of the bigger picture.
I talk to total strangers in the course of daily life who look at me like I just stepped through a fissure in the space time continuum from another dimension.
My sense is that the acceleration of these fascist times has more people curious and willing to ask the right questions yet there remains a paucity of those who are willing to step into leadership roles and suggest the right answers.It just makes me wish I was stronger and smarter.
It makes me realize that as an individual who would burn up or be squashed in a moment of profound dissent that I must go deeper than merely understanding the inner workings of probably ancient political hierarchies toward an understanding of the essential esoteric underpinnings of what we as humans are doing here.
I personally must learn to “think with a hammer” here on my little island adrift in an ocean of disingenuous actors, puppets, puppet masters and willing and ready victims.To achieve a certain “perspicacity” in my daily thoughts and deeds before I could even hope to undertake any sort of “real” action seems at this point to be a goal unattainable within this current looping of history but literally within several lifetimes of personal evolution.
In the absence of any thoughtful “leaders”, I do believe that I will eventually fade out of any sort of networking attempts in great or small numbers and join what I perceive as the condition of most humble seekers of the truth - a withdrawal into myself for the safety and quietude required for a true quest for answers to my own and our mutual conundrum.
My failure as a thinking individual up to this point has lead me to this relatively pathetic conclusion but observing the fractal, easily infiltrated and ineffectual nature of today’s so-called “left” and its absence of any real leaders has neutered my ability to sustain the will to communicate anything more than mutually agreed upon condolences.
Posted by Youngfox on from all 10/11 at 02:55 PMYoungfox...you said it better than I ever could. Today someone was charged with treason...might be the first time since WW2. Yesterday in a courtroom in Albany, NY 2 men, Muslims, I think, were found guilty of a lot of charges. One of the men ran a pizza shop in Albany and now leaves his wife and 4 or 5 kids to spend, maybe the rest of his life in prison. I did not follow the case very closely but, I believe that the whole case was based on ENTRAPMENT. Neither of the men would have done anything wrong if they had not been enticed to by the government. I believe that one of the charges was money laundering or something like that. I wish that I had been on that jury. Things would have turned out differently.
Posted by RMJ on from Churchill 4 Prez Hdqts 10/11 at 03:25 PMYoungfox: I don’t think anyone here is making light of the situation. I believe it’s called gallow’s humor, e.g. I remember reading recently of Iraqis who leave outgoing messages on their cell phones along the lines of “I’ll call you back...if I haven’t been blown up.”
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 10/11 at 03:47 PMHi everyone. Just dropping in quickly.
http://dreamsend.blogspot.com/
http://dreamsend.wordpress.com/The bottom one is the one that is updated currently, but it’s worth looking into the archives of the blogspot one. Discusses some of the problems in the “left” nowadays.
Thank you Mudge and TM for the economic recommendations yesterday. I haven’t gotten a chance to view the movie yet, but I shall be doing shortly.
You all watching this Cory Lidle plane crash? It’s very eerie… I just listened to an interview with him yesterday.
Posted by Banta on from Inner Circle of Hell 10/11 at 04:50 PMAlso, I don’t think there’s really any way that the plane crash isn’t a horrible accident, but Fox News is reporting that Lidle’s passport fell to the ground and was found on the street.
I’ve heard that one before.
Posted by Banta on from Inner Circle of Hell 10/11 at 04:53 PMVery sad about Cory Lidle. His premature death is a large loss.
Youngfox...Good LORD. If you aren’t writing The New Leftist Manifesto, why on EARTH not?!
Jeremy, Banta: I predict you’ll each find much to cogitate over in Millionaire when/if you get around to reading it.
MZ: Did you hear about the Youtube folks? A year and a half after they start their little Internet site, Google buys ‘em for $1.5 billion.
Oh my dear lass, RMJ, how hideous...but let me direct your attention to the Internet! Your 13-year-old Ford isn’t the sole survivor of a rare species. If you can convince the garage monkeys to cough up a part number, I’ll Google that bad boy right on up and find a source for you. Part of the service.
All who remember my moonings and gloomings over Punkin, the youthful incumbent occupant of half 2 of my futon, might be interested to know that he called to announce his engagement today. I reacted very unkindly. I am a bad, bad old man.
I laughed. Hard. For a long time. He hung up, for which I blame him not at all.
Actually, I’m laughing right now too. Boy learned nothing from my experiences, his dad’s experiences, or just plain common sense. If she goes through with it, I hope it’s with her eyes open.
>snort<
Posted by Mudge on from Austin, Texas 10/11 at 07:44 PMMudge, I’m holding out for $2 billion.
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 10/11 at 07:53 PMGoody goody gumdrops! The Google-ized version of Cool Observer will need a bloated staff, an advertising director, and a few sundry lackeys and minions.
I’m bidding on ad director...I’ll hold up Monsanto for BIIIG money and then post their ad on the day you go after agribusiness. This will be a hoot!
Posted by Mudge on from Austin, Texas 10/11 at 08:06 PMWhat’s the starting salary for a sundry minion these days?
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 10/11 at 08:09 PMO.K. Mick, I admit I was wearing my cranky pants earlier today and my gut has gotten way too big to comfortably close the front snaps around.
Please let’s do take a trip to the gallows of misbegotten humour together…
I’ll come clean - My Name is Stockell Gingrich.
I am really a Neoconservative, Zionist Southern Baptist CIA mole posing as a disaffected, angst wallowing Canadian whiner.When I’m not beating my wife, I’m beating my mistress after snorting sloppy stacks of the finest blue Peruvian cocaine (my fellow CIA operatives have smuggled into America) off of her big taut silicone chest rockets.
I drive a Hummer and swerve erratically to hit small animals and homeless people when I’m not forcibly wrangling, shaving and ball-gagging young boys for Republican sleepovers.
I sleep on a mattress made of warm puppy meat.I spend the third Tuesday of every month with Pat Buchanan shooting illegal Mexican border crossers from an unmarked black helicopter hovering over an undisclosed portion of the Texas border.
And while I am still swinging from the gallows…
Mudge your sweet and sour cocktail of kindness/cruelty is a refreshing libation.
I would not write a stinking welfare hippy manifesto because grammatically butchered train of thought ranting is already plentiful the world over. I’m sure my sputum would go over like a pregnant pole vaulter with all of the wonderful navel gazing political science majors I’ve been mere moments away from hacking up into small pieces and burying in my garden.And now back to the civilized world,
RMJ, at least you are actually putting your brain, flesh and bones out on the hustings for the ungrateful hordes to ignore as they go ahead and elect some wheezing, sold out leech to bilk out them of their futures and steer them into some fresh new version of Hell.You’re too good for them and if they were not so collectively dazed and glazed they would make you their queen and give you all of their stocks and bonds.
Posted by Youngfox on from sanctum 10/11 at 09:22 PMYou’re welcome Banta. the video’s conclusion of going back to the gold standard… gold standard, paper standard, bead standard will any of these standards help the poor or will it maintain the status quo, but more efficently? I don’t know anything about markets, dollars,or economics, but the video is blatant propaganda with a historical background.
There was an entrapment case highlighted on Frontline. http://tinyurl.com/mrw4a
congratulations Jeremy!!!!
Posted by TM on from 10/11 at 10:36 PMThanks TM. The Money Masters is a great video on our monetary system. Unlike “Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve”, which is, I think, by the Mises Institute, it argues against going back to a gold standard.
Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 10/11 at 11:14 PMmy mistake I think the case highlighted on frontline was based on false confession not entrapment.
Hi Jeremy, do you have a link to that Money Masters video?
Posted by TM on from 10/11 at 11:24 PMIt used to be available online, but I don’t think it is anymore, due to copyright issues. You can order it from http://www.themoneymasters.com/. It’s a 2 DVD set for $20. I have’t bought it yet, but I think that’s well worth it.
I just ordered “9/11 Press for Truth”, a documentary based on Paul Thompson’s 9/11 Timeline at Cooperative Research and subsequent book, “The Terror Timeline”. I’m proud to have received an acknowledgment in the book for some assistance I lent on the Afghanistan chapter. Here’s the link: http://www.911pressfortruth.com/
Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 10/12 at 02:37 AMAn important question. If it was just Moore arrested on some trumped up conspiracy charge, the country wouldn’t bother to put down their Big Macs. I would look for answers and probably protest if it wasn’t far from my house, but in the end it wouldn’t do much good in the current climate. As more lefties were picked up, however, I think the majority of the citizenry would begin to act, and the govt would be forced to stop. They need to keep a critical mass of us happy to shine their shoes and keep the corporate profits flowing.
Up the ante. Suppose the 9-11 skeptics uncovered unmistakable, irrefutable evidence that several high-level officials (like all of PNAC) were involved in the 9-11 plot--like someone produces a video of a missile hitting the Pentagon, or an insider comes forward with taped conversations of the plotters. What would their options be at that point? Would they just give up and face the music? I doubt it. Not this crowd. I think they would invoke martial law and kill anyone that knew anything.
Posted by Paine on from 10/13 at 07:30 PMMan, youse people have some tough time focusing. This is a serious problem (almost) being addressed here. But at least Mickey Z. broached the question, and Youngfox at least started off on-message.
Of course, youse all realize we’re very close to having to actually deal with this situation, right? So close, in fact, most people can’t think straight to save their lives. Literally. What to do? Or is to be done?
The Internet is an amazing tool. I won’t go into why: a jillion words have been typed out on that already. But it’s merely a tool, like the telephone, the photocopy machine, etc., to aid in real blood & guts organizing. Which, however, is what is not being done. Because that would actually take sustained commitment, huh? Not like a one-off demo every few months.
What we can do on the Internet, though, is come to an agreement on what we have to do; and organize to that agreement, far and wide. And beyond the borders of North America, for that matter. At least until they force us off the Net (which they culd never 100% succeed at, short of Apocalypse). We have to develop our Action Plan, and stick together and back each other up on it.
We have to get REALLY SERIOUS about fighting these people.
And so about half of this effort will be downright completely “illegal”. And so what that? This isn’t a fucking game. How many millions are dead now because we didn’t act, 40, 50, 60 years ago?
It is past time to monkeywrench bourgeois society. Bigtime. And since the police state just loves to set people up as being violent (them being the source of all violence, and eager to engage in it), it should be a breeze to mess with the state in such a way that they will always be the ones to use violence first. Since they really intend that anyway.
But we really, really, really need to know what we are about, and that we can rely on each other. And we can’t even think about that if we can’t even agree on a version of reality. And so we have the Internet to at least work that job over.
So let’s get TO it.
What’s the Next Step?
What do we want? Socialism?
Since we don’t vote Democrat ...what?
Our relation to liberation struggles worldwide? Latin America?
Organizing at home? What to do about vigilantes? Police? FBI? CIA? DIA? Finks?Who wants to even think about this stuff, huh?
Posted by Some OS /bin/login on from 10/15 at 02:20 PMOS,
I think you’re right. This country is very close to becoming a police state--especially after the elections. Before deciding on what to do, I encourage everyone to watch the Kay Griggs interviews (links below). If her testimony is even close to reality, we are facing an evil that has no moral boundaries. They will do whatever it takes to dominate, with absolutely no regard for human life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM&mode=related&search=Posted by Paine on from 10/16 at 02:58 AMYeah, I’ve watched some of that before too. But it doesn’t stick, does it? Our enemy counts on that too. The left can’t even agree on what happened on 9/11, let alone what reality is. For instance, we need our own standing cttee. of enquiry on all this stuff. And outside North America too, for safety.
I know that they are seriously studying this stuff in Venezuela, and now Mike Ruppert has defected there, with his knowledge and contacts.
The real question here is: how to separate the wheat from the chaff? The paranoia and deliberate disinformation from the actual conspiracy against the world? Too many on the left are opportunist philistines, actually: more interested in their own careers than in doing the right thing. And so they will not stick their necks out, nohow.
Some lot we have to work with here.
Posted by Some OS /bin/login on from North Pole 10/18 at 04:01 PM
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