Mickey Z
Cool Observer
Thursday, March 29, 2007
Sgt. Hillary practices her salute
So, I have been keeping an eye on Goff’s post about you, Mick and saw this beauty:
“The rift here is quite frankly a function of the massive vacuum in American left politics. You have a smattering of intellectuals, pseudo-intellectuals, and activists, most armed with good intention. But because the great mass of working people in the United States are miles removed from leftist ideas - and because the existing left seems to go a long way toward maintaining this distance - you end up with ultra-moralistic pieces like Mickey’s latest.”
I don’t even know where to begin with that…
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 03/29 at 09:12 AMWe know what Hilary will do in Iraq:
I am making a prediction, Hilary will be our next president and she will be a sort of Bill Clinton/George Bush hybrid.
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 03/29 at 09:16 AMIt’s Hillary, not Hilary, isn’t it. Sorry about that.
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 03/29 at 09:17 AMHello Expendables...from a sunny, but cooler Astoria.
JOS: Did you see Goff’s “explanation”? Somehow, he managed to be right next to Tillman’s mother when she read my article. Some call it coincidence…
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/29 at 09:27 AMhas he contacted you at all? or you him? or is that private?
Posted by michael on from scotland 03/29 at 09:48 AMoh and i don’t know about the rest of you but i found this in a book and i tend to have the same problem....
“rimmer, like most people faced with a task they find hateful, found more and more elaborate ways of not doing it in a ‘doing it’ sort of way.”
come to think about it i suppose that could describe the UKs attempts to deal with global warming although i think even that is ahead of where you seem to be in the US on that subject.
Posted by michael on from scotland 03/29 at 09:52 AMClinton, he, she will do nothing worthy of a 5 minute discussion. american politics is not worthy of a 5 second discussion. A page of history that needed turned 500 years ago. Forget them, forget all of it, develop your own communities that are, initially not as dependent upon mainstream amereeka, develop a communication like you’ve never experienced, find you humanity. To hell with clintons, the wealthy control freaks...with them in your consciousness, there will not be room for creative thinking transcending all of this death and decay...keep our minds fresh, not in the past, clear and clearly in the present, hug your friends, hug someone you don’t know, face your fears head on, develop ideas about real-caring, cooperation, read Thomas Berry, read yourself...to hell with american neanderthals who want to control other’s lives. PROSECUTE NOW...IMPEACH LATER!
Posted by Joe of Maine on from The North Atlantic Ocean 03/29 at 09:57 AMand if mickey doesnt mind i wanted to mention that all the activist movies i made are now available for free download over at my site.
Posted by michael on from scotland 03/29 at 10:01 AMGreat post, MZ. The photo of HRC is so appropriate: she looks hideous. The NYT article brings back memories of early ‘93, how WJC caved on all fronts. He tried to eliminate over 300 native american tribes by executive order, started pushing NAFTA and, most disgusting of all, failed to read the military the riot act about their place in US society.
The fiasco of “don’t ask, don’t tell” wasn’t half of it. Had be been anything other than a corporate hack, WJC would have said to Powell and others “The Constitution clearly states that we have a civilian commander-in-chief, and if any of the officer corps has trouble with my policy, resignations will be accepted without prejudice.” And this failure of spine happened when the military budget had evaded that scary talk of a peace dividend, and was cruising along at high or record levels. Talk about lack of gratitude among generals.
Re: Stan Goff and #1: yes, there is a huge vacuum between the “Left” (a word we should place on hiatus in America) and average Americans, but that’s not MZ’s fault. To think that a single blogger could do the same damage as the herd of fucked-up grant farmers’ publications (I just read the latest In These Times, and am surprised Vonnegut still allows his name in the masthead), is unbelievable. The irony is that Goff, for his close connection to the military, has written many articles that strike fear into such lame laff-tists. My question is: what’s the synthesis?
It’s appropriate to cast doubt on the Pat Tillman episode - are his parents serious to expect anything but lies and manipulation from the USG? But there is also a chance to pry open this false conundrum of honor vs. treachery for the First Amendment sin of asking “Why?” I vote in favor.
Captcha sez “heart.” I left mine in Amsterdam.
Posted by Zen Prole on from Urth 03/29 at 10:03 AMI also thought that calling either Mickey Z or his article ultra-moralistic was hilarious.
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 03/29 at 10:34 AMMickey and other locals… are you going to be there Saturday, Foodswings anniversary party--
http://supervegan.com/blog/entry.php?id=748
Posted by James on from work 03/29 at 11:32 AMHello again, everyone. I’m doing a drive-by to share this news:
http://tinyurl.com/ysw4dmBesides that, Michael, you can post your blog link here any time and no, I have not heard from Stan. In the end, this will fade...as it should. To push further would be like two ants fighting over who really owns the tiny dirt hill smack dab in the middle of shopping mall parking lot.
Hello Zen and Joe. James: I kinda lost my taste for Foodswings. It’s too junky for me.
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/29 at 01:20 PMI hate politics. All the popular candidates act like a jackasses. I have voted and it hasnt made a rats ass of difference as far as I can see. Same old same old.
About the Tillman and Goff thing...I was wrong. No one ever got anywhere by being Polite or Politically correct or adopting a Sensitive Attitude about critical issues. Let the critics choke on their own hypocracy if they dont like what you say or how you say it. Use every means available to get people to wake up.
Hillarys only redeeming quality is her backbone and it will probably get her elected.
Gosh I am really cranky today ...hello everyonePosted by frances on from british columbia 03/29 at 02:05 PMhello!
thanks mickey...i realised i didnt put the link…
please download and watch, enjoy, abuse the films…
http://thumpingthetub.blogspot.com/
Posted by michael on from scotland 03/29 at 02:08 PMActually man, I hear you about Foodswings, even if I’m glad they’re there and kinda want to try them out just one more time. If I can survive the experience, considering:
http://www.supervegan.com/blog/entry.php?id=703
But Kate’s Joint has a brand new menu, almost double the size of their old one! You just have to go and try it as soon as you can! It’s got everything you could ever want, junky or not!
Posted by James on from work 03/29 at 02:45 PMFor Frances of BC...people have been voting for centuries and it hasn’t made a rats ass of a difference...yes...let’s continue to empower the criminals, let’s keep voting, let’s keep rationalizing someone might spark a difference, yes, let’s keep lying to ourselves, keep relinquishing our humanity to make ‘their’ system work...the system by the wealthy, for the wealthy and enforced by the goons who want to control others...how wonderful it all is...let’s vote for war, let’s vote for everything we have hated since male dominated, hierarchies began, the triad of nothingness, the church, the state, the military...yes, let’s keep voting or...we can do something worthy of a discussion.
Posted by Joe of Maine on from 03/29 at 03:47 PMyep
captcha says ‘love’ that says it all
Posted by frances on from british columbia 03/29 at 04:06 PMAnyone want to join me in giving this nut a good old fashioned ass kicking?:
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 03/29 at 04:32 PMWorshipping the rich keeps us distracted from stuff like this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17440.htmPosted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/29 at 05:38 PMSoon Hillary’s gonna cry out, “Sieg Heil!” Or has she already?
Cheers.
Posted by Ehtesham on from Canada 03/29 at 08:06 PMMickey and all who posted at Goff’s blog.
There were no real answers for what we posted there. The post following mine that mentioned my name at the start was just based on the compromise diversion, you know, you say this, I say this, the truth must be somewhere in between.
Goff’s explanation is just an emotional appeal.
Both were not really addressing the topic at all. I don’t think any of us need bother with his article any more.
@ all, keep doing what you’re doing.
Posted by Andy on from Shanghai 03/29 at 08:19 PMHello Ehtesham and Andy.
I find it interesting when folks say that “we’re all part of the problem” as if that makes us ineligible to to offer a critique. I may be part of the machine and I may share some blame...but I didn’t sign up to wage war.
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 03/29 at 08:24 PMHi Mickey,
You are not part of the machine and atleast I am not going to blame you for your country’s imperialist policies. Don’t put yourself down because some Stan Goff derided you. Both the liberals with masks on and the right wing fanatics are equally working overtime to guard the centers of power. As Chomsky puts it, it takes dedicated ignorance to not see what’s going on. As a progressive vanguard, Stan put a lot of effort to dodge the obvious point you made in your article and hence proved Chomsky’s point. And the language he used! This is how the fake liberals fool people. It’s easy to detect the conservative juggernauts. But the so-called progressives are way too clever and know how to use the words. Anyways, gotta go.
Cheers.
Posted by Ehtesham on from Canada 03/29 at 09:21 PMAndy’s right. Nobody came anywhere near touching the points I made in my lengthy reply to Goff’s article.
Posted by Jeremy R. Hammond on from Taipei, Taiwan 03/29 at 09:30 PMI had posted a really long reply to Jeremy’s post here, but my email wasn’t valid, so when I hit back everything disappeared. Grr. Anyway, I thought it’d be fair if at least someone from FS came here.
I’ll make this short and sweet(ish):
WHY ARE WE FIGHTING?! We’re on the same goddamn side, trying to hit the same goddamn targets, and we’re pretending we’re on different teams! Anti-war, right? Who cares how we all approach this situation? Those are DIFFERENT targets, and we can all try and hit those later, but for now it’s just these silly arguments over potential allies. I’m not saying we oughta learn from each other, just that we need to realize face-to-face that we’re ON THE SAME SIDE.I’m not “brave” enough to say this to Goff, but you gotta realize that Tillman is a very emotional subject over there and elsewhere. If you deny that, then...?
Posted by skol on from 03/30 at 12:51 AMHi skol. I have some more comments, but posted them in the “Top Ten Ways to Plan Your Next Anti-War Protest” comments.
Posted by Jeremy R. Hammond on from Taipei, Taiwan 03/30 at 06:54 AM
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