Mickey Z
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Thursday, September 14, 2006
"For Gandhi’s method to work, there must be a government capable of shame"
Happy Birtday, Mudge! You’ve been missed here.
And everyone local to NYC is welcome to my book club starting this Sunday, starting with some general intro stuff and some Sartre, moving on to so much else in the months to come:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/grp/206657810.html
Maybe some of it could cross over into an online Expendable discussion at some point… must get ready for work now, bye!
Posted by James on from Hell's Kitchen 09/14 at 06:49 AMRE: “Bridge of Courage”
“I, Rigoberta Menchu
AN INDIAN WOMAN IN GUATEMALA” An important foundation to “Bridge of Courage”Also, good information on D. Jensen. I wasn’t familiar with him before. Excellent book reviews on his web site. Particularly this one, in my opinion (lest we be naive about nonviolence and its importance): Pacifism As Pathology: Reflections on the Role of Armed Struggle in North America by Ward Churchill, Ryan Churchill
Nonviolence is still a gray area in my book. I don’t think the original counterculture from the 60s addressed this very well. I could be wrong though, wasn’t my generation. What do y’awl think? peace, dw
Posted by dw on from 09/14 at 06:56 AMsorry, who this “Mudge” guy? Anyone care to share?
Posted by dw on from ohio 09/14 at 06:57 AMSee Mudge, an entire generation of expendables (well, one expendable) is growing up without your curmudgeonliness. Come back! And Happy Escape-from-the-womb Day!
I’m not well read on Indian independence, amongst a million other things, but I’m fairly sure if indians weren’t tearing the place up and making it ungovernable by colonialists, us brits wouldn’t have had as much incentive to let go and talk to the ‘nice’ indian leaders.
Posted by Mew on from london 09/14 at 07:53 AMGOOD MORNING MEW, DW, JAMES AND MICKEY.
HAPPY BIRTH DAY, MUDGE. IT’S TIME TO COME HOME NOW. WE MISS YOU AND HAVE HUGS WAITING FOR YOU HERE.
GAHNDI WAS A WONDERFUL HISTORICAL FIGURE BUT HE WAS NOT UP AGAINST RAYTHEON, LOCKHEED-MARTIN, MONSANTO, ET AL. The ‘we know where you live’ tactic works but most are reluctant to use it. It sems that the anti war folks are afraid of success.
Posted by RMJ on from IN THE RAIN 09/14 at 08:09 AMGood for you James. Congratulations on another trip round the sun, Mudge. DW, Mudge will come back, and you will understand. And perhaps his return will encourage the similarly missed Joe from Oregon and others to stop by and say hellno.
I really appreciate the implication of the post today Mickey. There’s this great band called Low from Minnesota and one of my favorite tunes of theirs is called ‘Shame’. They happen to have a strongly religious (Mormon, I think) background which I can’t relate to, but I would be thrilled if the pseudo-Christians currently grinding the world into dust could be a little less pseudo and pick up on the shame meme.
Posted by Keir on from The Hague (Jackowski election hdqts) 09/14 at 09:15 AMShengri kwai le, Mudge!
Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 09/14 at 09:29 AMHappy Birthday, Mudge! Come back and tell everyone who your are…
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 09/14 at 09:58 AMBon Anniversaire, Mudge...new Expendables are looking for introductions....
Gandhi - yes, unfortunately today’s powers that be have no capacity for shame or for compassion - unless you hit home or the wallet.
Over the past years I’ve very reluctantly begun to let go of my idealised version of what social revolution could be...standing up still is still a start, but certainly not an end game move anymore.
Mew, I think you’re right - Gandhi inspired the people to action and it was often their uncontrollable mayhem that forced the Empire to listen and “then” eventually withdraw. Control was no longer profitable.
Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 09/14 at 10:17 AMwow - don’t know how those characters got in there (any translation, Jeremy??) ;)
what was supposed to appear was “...hit home or the wallet...”
Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 09/14 at 10:18 AMok - now it shows as normal text.
I’m not a crazy “girl"- really, I’m not!
Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 09/14 at 10:19 AMHello Expendables from a rainy NYC. No sign of Mudge but what a great bunch already here today...Expendables old and new.
DW: As suggested by others, describing or defining Mudge is an uneviabe task. Let’s say he’s often the straw that stirs the drink.
P.S. Jeremy, watch your language.
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 09/14 at 01:02 PMHappy Birthday Mudge!!!!!!
India at fifty: a damning indictment of bourgeois rule: http://tinyurl.com/qts7d
Posted by TM on from 09/14 at 01:53 PMI just saw a bunch of people dressed as fruit with protest signs reading, “All juices are not created equal” marching in a circle and handing out flyers for Naked juice drinks.
Posted by JOS on from Chicago 09/14 at 02:23 PMFYI, an interesting article by an Indian on Gandhi‘s role in his country’s independence and also what’s going on in his ancestral state these days…
Posted by sk on from 09/14 at 03:46 PMsk that was an article I found interesting, thanks.
"What it revealed was that the British had become wary and mistrusting of their once globally flaunted Indian army, mostly due to the efforts of the left-wing Indian revolutionary leader, Subhash Chandra Bose, who injected nationalist fervour in their ranks. “ Subhash Chandra Bose’s ends are actually still a mystery, (if I’m not late on news?) I thought he’d boarded a plane and was never to be seen again, with reports abounding just a little like Elvis. He was certainly a major force, met with Gandhi and local Gujarati community leaders on a number of occasions, notably not long before the then impending Free India vote the article spoke of. The two most definitely had differing opinions to be sure. Jain communities played a part there in setting a less secular tone than might otherwise have prevailed.
Again, I don’t usually have quite so much to say!
(ahem, we are still, what’s the “word”—mudgless.)
Posted by Amelopsis on from Canada 09/14 at 07:04 PMAnyone (still awake) catch the MZ article over at ZNet today?
Posted by Keir on from The Hague (Jackowski election hdqts) 09/14 at 08:53 PMI’ll be posting that article here tomorrow, Keir...but thanks for noticing. ZNet rarely runs my articles anymore. Too much gloom and doom is my guess.
Guess Mudge is gone for good, huh?
Posted by Mickey Z. on from Astoria 09/14 at 08:58 PM#10 - It means “happy birthday” in Mandarin. (That is, if you were referring to #7 and not those crazy wingdings on your screen, which I don’t see).
#12 - Is my pronunciation that bad?
Posted by Jeremy on from Taipei 09/14 at 09:27 PMMickey, maybe this explains it. Or this. I guess ZNet wouldn’t be interested in for example your book reviews of Derrick Jensen. Unfortunate, if true.
Posted by Keir on from The Hague (Jackowski election hdqts) 09/15 at 04:14 AM
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